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Primarily debate around Christianity in right-wing spaces revolves entirely around,
>Is Christianity Jewish?
and
>Is Christianity supported or opposed by Jews?

But very few debates are just about Christianity's values and its usefulness in regards to movements that are ultimately White identitarian in their true values and goals. And in these two senses, Christianity is an obvious failure whether it's Jewish or not, and whether Jews like it or not. Consider the following:

Christianity's most holy of holy texts are the Gospels. One can presume that if the Gospels say one thing and for example Saint Clement of Rome says a different thing, that the idea in the Gospels will win out over the ideas of Saint Clement of Rome. Even Clement himself would grant this. So if two competing ideas are in conflict we can presume that the version of the idea in the Gospels will defeat the idea added later, whether in other books in the New Testament or writings from later Christians. So if you have writings from a crusader in the Middle Ages, great, it does not override what Jesus himself said and did in the Gospels.

What the Gospels teach better than anything else is forgiveness, compassion for people different/lower in status than yourself, teaching, healing, giving to the poor, healing the sick and pacifism. Forgiveness is Jesus's most common activity in the Gospels. Many stories and parables are centered around demonstrating that people who normally would only get scorn, such as members of rival ethnic groups or tax collectors from Rome or sinful women, are instead treated with grace and dignity by Jesus. He forgives their sins. Jesus also spends time teaching at the temple, he drives out demons, heals the sick, distributes free food to crowds and raises at least one dead man. And in the final act of his story, he allows his enemies to kill him by crucifixion.

What is notably absent from the Gospels are any of the following; insular group identities, veneration of strength, justification of violence, or any drive toward worldly domination. Jesus's stories about getting along with Samaritans or tax collectors are purposefully arranged to sidestep the more instinctive sense of "in-group" and "out-groups" that we find in all human societies all over the world. Jesus in one gospel whips some people out of the Court of Gentiles one time. In every other instance he not only avoids violence, he corrects those who do it; the story about the disciple who sells his cloak and buys a sword says exactly that. Jesus reminds the disciple that if he wanted to win by force he could summon a legion of angels at any time. Jesus specifically states in the Beautitudes that he places the weak over the strong and the disgusting over the beautiful in heaven. He tells his disciples to throw away their earthly things and the story of the rich young man also communicates that Jesus doesn't just ignore material things, he says merely possessing them threatens your eternal soul. And of course the end of the story is that rather than dominating others, Jesus allows himself to be crucified. He does rise from the dead, but it is for a few days, where he travels around in secret and then ascends to heaven with all of his enemies unpunished. Even Judas Iscariot has to punish himself rather than being punished.

The direct and plain reading of the Gospels is that if you're a Christian who follows Christ and thinks he's the most moral person to have ever lived, your goal is to be as meek, poor, giving and forgiving as possible. It is your job to be like the priests and monks through the ages who have allowed themselves to be killed in service of the faith or simply dedicated all their time and efforts to others, no matter their race, sex or creed. 

So we can end with a simple question; do the Gospels really teach a way to live life that serves the end goals of White Identitarians of any stripe? The answer is obviously no. If what Whites need is to band together, stand up for ourselves and fight back against others, this way of life that Jesus both taught and lived is the exact opposite of what Whites should be doing with their time.

The clear reality is that no right-wing Christian is Christian in the sense of following Christ's teachings. They are Christians only in the sense that Christianity has a long history and instinctive conservatives and reactionaries are going to cling to the imagery they remember from their childhood or see in pictures of the past, no matter what the actual content of the religion is. But if you feel like you need some kind of spiritual shell for your actual beliefs of White Identity, there are obviously better options that aren't secretly full of teachings that run exactly counter to your actual beliefs.

>Well what do YOU believe?
The focus of this thread should be on Christianity. I think which religion you'd like to pretend to have (again you're all de facto atheists) is a separate discussion. Even if I believe completely retarded things (and I may well), that wouldn't mean Christianity was any more or less wrong.
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Christ was no at war with Man, no matter how depraved. He was at war with Satan. He allowed for death to swallow him and as a wolfsangle ripped open Hades's gut, bound the Devil and cast him among the snares. This is not what you claim.

A WORD

A WORD came forth in Galilee, a word like to a star;
It climbed and rang and blessed and burnt wherever brave hearts are;
A word of sudden secret hope, of trial and increase
Of wrath and pity fused in fire, and passion kissing peace.
A star that o'er the citied world beckoned, a sword of flame;
A star with myriad thunders tongued: a mighty word there came.

The wedge's dart passed into it, the groan of timber wains,
The ringing of the river nails, the shrieking of the planes;
The hammering on the roofs at morn, the busy workshop roar;
The hiss of shavings drifted deep along the windy floor;
The heat-browned toiler's crooning song, the hum of human worth—
Mingled of all the noise of crafts, the ringing word went forth.

The splash of nets passed into it, the grind of sand and shell,
The boat-hook's clash, the boat-oars' jar, the cries to buy and sell,
The flapping of the landed shoals, the canvas crackling free,
And through all varied notes and cries, the roaring of the sea,
The noise of little lives and brave, of needy lives and high;
In gathering all the throes of earth, the living word went by.

Earth's giants bowed down to it, in Empire's huge eclipse,
When darkness sat above the thrones, seven thunders on her lips,
The woes of cities entered it, the clang of idols' falls,
The scream of filthy Cæsars stabbed high in their brazen halls,
The dim hoarse floods of naked men, the world-realms snapping girth,
The trumpets of Apocalypse, the darkness of the earth:

The wrath that brake the eternal lamp and hid the eternal hill,
A world's destruction loading, the word went onward stil—
The blaze of creeds passed into it, the hiss of horrid fires,
The headlong spear, the scarlet cross, the hair-shirt and the briars,
The cloistered brethren's thunderous chaunt, the errant champion's song,
The shifting of the crowns and thrones, the tangle of the strong.

The shattering fall of crest and crown and shield and cross and cope,
The tearing of the gauds of time, the blight of prince and pope,
The reign of ragged millions leagued to wrench a loaded debt,
Loud with the many-throated roar, the word went forward yet.
The song of wheels passed into it, the roaring and the smoke
The riddle of the want and wage, the fogs that burn and choke.
The breaking of the girths of gold, the needs that creep and swell,
The strengthening hope, the dazing light, the deafening evangel,
Through kingdoms dead and empires damned, through changes without cease,
With earthquake, chaos, born and fed, rose,—and the word was "Peace."

The Bible, though central is not everything, there are the 7 thunders of revelations, the traditions and teaching of the Church. You claim that the Gospels ultimately teach meekness. They do. Meekness is not of mice, but of an behemoth in it's traces. Pull forth the word, herald the trumpets, and woe betide those who do not hear. You claim that some things are incompatible with the gospels. This is not the case.

There are many mistranslations in the English Bible:
>Love
Many different kinds.
>Repentance
Not feeling sorry. Walking a new path.
>Meek
Up the post
>Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not murder. Righteous killing is perfectly fine.
>Love your neighbor
Love everyone, yet your sojourner will not stay forever.
>Turn the other cheek
Personal sins, not communal sins
>Judge not lest ye be judged, he who live by the sword, dies by it.
Yes. This does not disallow these actions, merely ignorance of them.
>Forgiveness
There may still be punishment, unto death.

You forget every single quote of Christ on bringing war. Christ advising drowning pedophiles. Christ's every word to the pharisees. You forget the constant genocides that the Isrealites were ordered to, and punished for not doing. You forget Revelations, where Christ comes as war incarnate. Christ ordaining the destruction of corrupt israel. Christ teaches a love for the world of God and a unrelenting hate of the Devil. This is proper. The Edomites looked for a earthly messiah, Christ was more.

>do the Gospels really teach a way to live life that serves the end goals of White Identitarians of any stripe?
Yes. And it calls them to be more than just racial supremacists.

>The clear reality is that no right-wing Christian is Christian in the sense of following Christ's teachings.
False.

>If what Whites need is to band together, stand up for ourselves and fight back against others, this way of life that Jesus both taught and lived is the exact opposite of what Whites should be doing with their time.
Jesus stood, it is not His, that no other would stand with Him, else where the Cross.

>The focus of this thread should be on Christianity. I think which religion you'd like to pretend to have (again you're all de facto atheists) is a separate discussion. Even if I believe completely retarded things (and I may well), that wouldn't mean Christianity was any more or less wrong.
So what would have stood for 2000 years besides Christianity? And what will stand till the End?

Paganism is dead. Faerie is transfigured and remains. What could you believe, Julian Apostate, that would defeat this monstrosity?
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>>12
>Christ advising drowning pedophiles.
Let's just pick out this lie. The passage you're probably thinking of is the one where Jesus says that anyone who harms the little ones, it would be better if they have a millstone tied around their neck and thrown into the ocean. What it does not state is that you should be the one tying a millstone around a pedo's neck and throwing them into the ocean. The Quran for instance says that the punishment for homosexuality should be getting thrown off a cliff, and it does not mince words on this subject; but the Christian Bible merely states that pedos are going to have a bad time eventually, not that a Christian should create that bad time. If the point of the passage is to say you should drown pedos, why doesn't it just say that?

This is very typical of how Christians lie both to themselves and others about what their religion states. The "sell your cloak and buy a sword" passages are relentlessly quoted as proof that Jesus supports self-defense; they generally neglect to mention that the story ends with the disciple being upbraided for defending himself.

The rest of the points here are quibbling about semantics to pretend the book doesn't say what it says. In contradiction to that I'll point to 2000 years of martyrs and missionaries who had no problem understanding that the book says something akin to vows of poverty, pacifism, chastity and martyrdom; there's no special translation of a word that suddenly makes a hippie into a warrior.

>You forget the constant genocides that the Isrealites were ordered to, and punished for not doing. 
You're referring to the Jewish holy books here. Sure you want to do that? And even if you want to, wasn't the whole point of Jesus's ministry to give a new vision of the covenant? If Jews were just supposed to continue on as before, why have a Jesus? Again, Gospels override everything else for a serious Christian who believes in following Christ. So if Leviticus says to kill Edomites or whoever, and the Gospels say to be kind, a Christian should be kind.
>You forget Revelations, where Christ comes as war incarnate.
Revelations barely got in the canon, and I started with focusing on the Gospels for this reason; if Jesus acts peacefully in the Gospels, tells other people to act peacefully in the Gospels and never calls for violence, that clearly overrides Jesus showing up as a warrior in a much later book written by someone else in extremely flowery and symbolic language. It is the height of dishonesty to pretend this vision of Jesus taking symbolic actions at the end of time would remotely justify shooting someone with an AR tomorrow. 
>Jesus stood, it is not His, that no other would stand with Him, else where the Cross.
This is word salad, much like the big screed of poetry at the opening of this post.
>So what would have stood for 2000 years besides Christianity? And what will stand till the End?
More word salad. Anyway my point is just that you can't deflect criticism of Christianity by looking for ad-homs.
100% agree OP, and look at how this thread is slid. The people who claim to be "hard right wingers" often lack the information about foundational ideas such as metaphysics, ontology and, instead, have a superficial understanding of nationalist ideas because they have read Julius Evola, or Nietschze. 


I have yet to find a single individual on this board who has read the classics: Aristotle, Plato, Plotinus, Lamblicus, and comes away from the subject with a rejection of Christianity.

Instead, what I often see is that Christian intellectuals may reject the structuring of the current church, finding some of the more dogmatic ideas of the institution to be counter productive. For example, the rejection of gnosticism is simply illigitimate from one who has had a proper reading of the book of John. In fact, it takes zero effort to connect the dots between Valentinianism and Kaballah mysticism. This doesn't mean these ideas are inherently true, but the fact that we aren't even allowed to discuss them on their merits for fear of being called heretics is absolutely ridiculous and cripples the intellectual and spiritual curiosity of otherwise faithful members of the church.
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>>26
You're not even a Christian. You have zero authority on the subject at hand. 


>>my interpetation is better than yours because my feelings, therefore I am right

That just about sums up the load of shit you've written
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>>26
My intellectually challenged friend, you are mistaken simply because you're forgetting the cultural context in which this passage was written. In Rome, there existed two court systems, a Christian court, and a Roman court. Christians used the Christian courts to arbitrate their disputes so it was assumed that Christians would be the ones dolling out punishments for whatever crime. In fact, even the sons of pagan nobles would use the Christian courts because they were often seen as being more just/fair than the Roman alternative. This is partially why Christianity was so successful and spread as quickly as it did: Christianity, as an institution, provided a legal structure, educational framework and a business network to all Christians.

Unfortunately, because you're intellectually challenged, you think we should all be homosexuals smoking pot in the forest as we dance around engaging in our polytheistic mating ceremony to Thor. In your feeble brain, somehow this is better than solving problems.
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Nope I'm definitely not a Christian
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>>883
This applies to every religion, political group, and secular organizational body on Earth.

Jews, despite being a mere sixteen million, have at least Reform Judaism, Conservative Judaism, Orthodox Judaism, Modern Orthodox, Haredi (Ultra-Orthodox), Hasidic, Yeshivish, Reconstructionist, Jewish Renewal, and Humanistic / many branches of secular Judaism. All of them detest each other, for the most part, if not outright considering them erev rav.

There are dozens of sects and movements within Islam alone, from three denominations, all despite forcing the main same central texts and even the same translation and language to be used.

From Paganist and Heathenry religions, as a small scattering example, you have massive schisms over whether they are univeralist or purely volk religions from which the powers of the Gods respond to genetics alone, spirit, or open to everyone. This isn't even touching pro or anti homosexuality or other political topics.

Finally, within science and the scientific method itself, you have countless scientists, mathematicians, and some engineers debating even basics such does 2 + 2 = 4 when entering the realm of advanced number theory, debating the nuances of computer-aided proofs versus purer methods, and so on. This does not cover the many, many splits over the topics of abiogenesis, categorizational problems with different species in biology, and problems in physics such as the conjectured string-theory versus alternatives that demand applied and empirical evidence.

Are you going to toss out all of the scientific method and body of science, simply because 90% of papers today are bogus and fraudulant or countless topics are politicized rather than following the scientific method? Do the majority bad actors determine the veracity of something, or is the argument correct that something can still be true even if it's only a small minority of a minority within that hold to a specific doctrine?
Non of the image board christians discuss their values because they don't actually believe in the values taught by Jesus. The new testament quite clearly espouses humility and submissiveness. Jesus can be quoted advising his followers not to oppose evil people, not to fight back against an attacker and that if someone else forces you into servitude that you should work extra hard for them. There is absolutely nothing right wing or pro-White about christianity but the 'right wing' christian cannot leave their beliefs behind because the church has terrified them with the thought of eternal damnation. Christianity is a mental prison that utilizes emotional manipulation (Jesus loves you so very much) and threats (but if you don't do exactly as Jesus says, you'll burn in hell forever) as well as degradation (you are nothing without Jesus) in tandem to inspire blind and thoughtless obedience. The brainwashing is so complete that a christian will fight tooth and nail to defend and spread the very lies that make he himself so miserable until his dying breath. No different from a beaten woman who insists that her abusive husband still loves her, christians cannot see the vileness of their god who demands their total self-destruction in exchange for a reward they will never see in their lifetimes.
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>>900
The bible also recommends genociding of evil, only says to forgive personal insults, and treating slaves well. 

You are entirely misconflating the judeo-zionist heresy with Christianity and misconstruing Christ's teachings.
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>>901
>The bible also recommends genociding of evil
Where?
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>>902
The entire Old Testament. Cannanites, Sodom and Gommorah, and more. 

Implied with Revelations, and holy intolerance of evil is taught by Jesus Christ.
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>>904
Jesus abolished the old testament. Otherwise you wouldn't be allowed to eat pork.
>holy intolerance of evil is taught by Jesus Christ.
Again, where?
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The parable of the weeds:
>Matt 13 - The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared....

I don't believe every humanoid, walking upright on two legs, is human.  I'm pretty sure Whites are.  The rest I'm either not sure of, or know they aren't.  But Jesus did say to spread his gospel to all men, which I am in favor of.  Whether I believe they are human or not.  But one should keep in mind that Jesus said, go out and make disciples of all men.   He didn't say go out and gather up every cannibal and machete murderer you can find, and bring them home with you to rape and eat your sister.  yes you should endeavor to spread the gospel to everyone.  But nowhere does it say you have to, or should, race mix with them.
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>>905
Let the evil continue to do evil, let the good continue to do good is the only piece of scripture I remember seeing on the subject.  But I also realize Jesus is reasonable.  When the two clash, good obviously must win.  But operating in parallel with each other, go about your own business.  1 pound of spreading good is worth 20 pounds of opposing evil I think.  When thought of in another way, converting an evil person to a follower of the Lord works both ends of the problem.  Good doubles, evil decreases by 1.  It's the three shot swing in golf.  Birdie to a bogey.
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>>995
I suppose that interpretation makes sense.
Although it seems to me that the point of the parable is that god will mete out justice and the believer should just focus on being pious in the meantime.
>>999
>1 pound of spreading good is worth 20 pounds of opposing evil I think.
I disagree with you here. If you have a problem with rats eating your grain, growing more grain doesn't solve the problem. Spreading the gospel to Africa hasn't done anything to help the problems we have in White countries.
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>>1051
>I disagree with you here. If you have a problem with rats eating your grain, growing more grain doesn't solve the problem.

When the two butt heads, as in the example you gave, yes, the rat has to go.  I already said that.  Spreading the gospel in Africa is not about solving your problems, or even Africa's problems.  It's about helping that rare nigger who will respond, avoid an eternity in hell.  That's all it does.  If you're doing it for any other reason, you're wasting your time, and obviously spreading the gospel is not what you're doing there.
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>>1073
>Spreading the gospel in Africa is not about solving your problems, or even Africa's problems.
Then it's pointless.
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>>3 (OP) 
Rabbi's got a quick hand
He'll look around the globe, he won't tell you his plan
He's got a toddler's phallus, hanging out his mouth (he's a synagogue kid)
Yeah, found a six day old son
In his Dad's tunnel hidden oh on a mattress of soiled things, I don't even know what
But he's coming for you, yeah he's coming for you

All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, out run my ethno-weapon
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, faster than my two million dollar lab
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, out run my ethno-weapon
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, faster than my two million dollar lab

Goyim works a long day
He be coming home late, he's coming home late
And he's bringing jews a surprise
'Cause the final solution's in the fume hood and it's rotated in a centrifuge
I've waited for a long time
Yeah the slight of my hand is now inside a quick pull viscometer
I reason with my micropipette
And say (((   your   ))) schizophrenic genes are on fire, (((   you   ))) must have lost your wits, yeah

All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, out run my ethno-weapon
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, faster than my two million dollar lab
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, out run my ethno-weapon
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, faster than my two million dollar lab
>>3 (OP) 

>Christianity's most holy of holy texts are the Gospels. 
>entire premise based on bullshit

Ain't reading all that, moshe.
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>>26
<You forget Revelations, where Christ comes as war incarnate.
>Revelations barely got in the canon, and I started with focusing on the Gospels for this reason; if Jesus acts peacefully in the Gospels, tells other people to act peacefully in the Gospels and never calls for violence, that clearly overrides Jesus showing up as a warrior in a much later book written by someone else in extremely flowery and symbolic language. It is the height of dishonesty to pretend this vision of Jesus taking symbolic actions at the end of time would remotely justify shooting someone with an AR tomorrow. 

yet Matthew 24 ties into the 2nd coming Christ destroying the temple in 70 AD along with all the horrors documented by Josephus
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>>1190
Nice to see you here in this Little Season!
>>26
>and never calls for violence
He says He did not come to deliver peace, but a sword!

Read the parable of the Wheat and the tares.

He commands us to round up and burn the edomites off the face of the fucking earth as it was prophesied in Obadiah 1:18

THAT is why they gaslight Germany about burning.

Germans are the Tribe of Judah.

Always has been.

https://youtu.be/f6jXYu_cDXo
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>>3 (OP) 
you conveniently ignored the part where the Israelite rabbi shows an ingroup preference for fellow Israelites, compares nonIsraelites to dogs and tosses the non-Israelite woman a bone only after she debases herself.  modern day "judeo-christians" would do well to follow His example instead of indiscriminately handing out charity to the hordes of shitskin thieves, rapists and murderers invading our countries
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>>1198
>the Israelite rabbi
rabbinic judaism did not exist until the 5th or 6th century AD.

judeo-Christianity purely pushes the same satanic universalism we see pushed throughout all western institutions for the last century, at least.

Instead of reading Matthew 15 and seeing what a great lesson in discernment between nationality and ethnicity that He was clearly teaching His disciples, the judaized can read that whole chapter and believe that a woman proved Him wrong.

Unbelievable, really.
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>>1199
nevertheless...
Simon, I have something to say to you,” and he said, “Rabbi, speak” (Luke 7:40).
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, “Rabbi, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” (Luke 10:25 - Matthew 23:36).
And one of the company said unto him, “Rabbi, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me” (Luke 12:13).
And behold, a man came up to him and said, “Rabbi, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” (Matthew 19:16 - Luke 18:18).
And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Rabbi, rebuke your disciples” (Luke 19:39).
And they asked him, saying, “Rabbi, we know that you speak and teach rightly, and show no partiality, but teach the way of God truly…” (Luke 20:21 - Matthew 22:16).
Then there came to him some of the Sadducees…and they asked him, saying, “Rabbi…” (Luke 20:27 - Matthew 22:23-24).

that being said I do believe there was a difference between the Israelites scattered hither and thither throughout Judea (and the Roman empire) and the "Judeans" that were running the show locally with the permission of their Roman overlords
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>>1200
This post seems a lot like the sandniggers claiming that 'allah just means god'

If that was true they would not need to say it speaking English.

They deleted His holy name nearly 7,000 times from the 66 books and replaced it with titles like "Lord" that translates literally to Baal in Hebrew.

The subversion runs pretty deep.

The title of Judean says nothing about Judahite blood, either way..
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>>877
>100% agree OP,
>>878
>That just about sums up the load of shit you've written
>>879
>because you're intellectually challenged,

What a weird series of posts to come back to.

>>999
This post gives up the ghost on that line of reasoning. There is no scripture that says what you want it to say, but you've decided on your own that since Jesus must be "reasonable," he would obviously also hold some idea he's never stated to hold and which his stated positions seem to contradict. That's inserting your own instinctual normal human morality into Christianity (which is not instinctual or normal). What is in the book is stuff like giving your tunic to someone who steals your cloak, never resisting an evil person and Jesus's own example of letting the Pharisees arrest and execute him.

This is just another example of imageboard Christians fundamentally disagreeing with the example Jesus set and the morality he taught, while simultaneously claiming to be Christian. And when pressed you're always forced to run back to the Torah;
>>901
>>904
even though the only reason for a Jesus to have a ministry is to set some new rules. A Christian can only have the position that where New Testament and Old Testament disagree, the New Testament is the final answer, which is a point I went over in the OP, and it doesn't agree with you here. If you prefer the OT's answer over Christ's answer, you can't be called a follower of Christ, since obviously you've decided you know better than him on at least that subject.

>>1051
If the parable of the weed sower is about non-human humans, then it specifically states those non-human humans are not to be killed; pic related. I presume this is why the leaf trailed off the parable where he trailed it off.

>>1189
Which text would be superior to the story of Christ and his ministry to a Christian? Name it.

>>1190
None of it makes Jesus a warrior though. In Matthew 24 he states that Christians will be hated by everyone, will have to flee their homes, be subject to many false prophets, and then at the end will be gathered to Jesus by angels. So Jesus himself never says that he's going to show up with a sword and slaughter the infidels, and the book where anything like that happens is highly allegorical.

Which all falls quite short of what we'd expect to see out of a religion that actually does support righteous violence. No Muslim need wonder whether Muhammad, pedo goatfucker extraordinaire, supports violence against infidels since it's written out plainly. Christianity does not write it out plainly, does write the opposite plainly and therefore we should say it doesn't support that. If you do support righteous violence, that's reasonable, but then you're not a Christian in the most basic sense of supporting Christ's values.

>>1194
>Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
Only if you edit out the rest of the passage does this sound like an endorsement of violence. It's actually Jesus stating that his doctrine will be so radical that families will break up over it. Not so based when you read the whole thing.

>Read the parable of the Wheat and the tares.
>He commands us to round up and burn the edomites off the face of the fucking earth
This already got quoted up above and no it doesn't say that. Jesus has no problem giving straight commands, like when he tells everyone not to divorce their wives for anything short of adultery. Parables are not commands, they are stories meant to communicate a lesson. If you were meant to be the harvester doing the burning, why didn't Jesus suggest that?

Across the whole of the Gospels, this is in line with Jesus's ideas about judgment. The parable is about the world. Someone might ask, why are there bad people? Why did God plant them here? Jesus says,
>Oh that was the enemy. And we won't rip them out now for fear of harming the good people. But on judgment day they'll be bundled up and burned.

But again the problem is, who's doing the bundling and burning? In the parable it's someone on God's level, rather than someone on the level of the people who make up the wheat and the tares. This is basically the same thing as
>>12
Sure, maybe some people will be judged, but not by you.

It's just wishful thinking to read the entire Gospel story of a guy preaching non-resistance, martyrdom and radical forgiveness, then think the same guy snuck in a command to murder the Jews in one parable. If your understanding of this parable contradicts the general example Jesus set, it's your understanding that's wrong.

>>1198
I'll be fair to the Christians here and note that at the end of the story Jesus heals her daughter, so it may have just been a test, which Jesus does a few times.

But like I said in the OP, I think that argument tends to just cloud the more plain and straightforward argument about morality; that people who fantasize about right wing death squads necessarily have diametrically opposed values to Jesus, any/all clergy who have followed after him and the general body of Christians. The Jewish/not Jewish argument serves imageboard Christians in diverting the discussion away from the actual values of the religion. Imageboard Christians are well versed in how to get into the weeds about who wuz the real Jews or who's the most anti-Semitic of them all, but they're not very comfortable discussing their alleged faith, since they're not really Christians in any sense and have trouble squaring their actual beliefs with the life that Jesus recommends.

I grew up Christian and went through most of a decade of theology courses. Reading the posts, what I see are zoomer groypers whose knowledge of what Christianity is comes entirely from deus vult Crusader memes. To put it in Biblical phrasing, they know not what they worship. They have a deeply mistaken belief that Christianity is a vehicle for hope for Whites, a cross to rally around. But being experienced with it, I know that it's the opposite, and that whatever good this set of beliefs may or may not have done for us in the past, it will not do us good into our future. And the reason for that is the set of morals it teaches that make Whites naive and weak to subversion, which is what I'm trying to lay out here.

PS: I love the long character limits here.
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>>1204
>the same guy snuck in a command to murder the Jews in one parable

Again, its not one parable. I mentioned a parable coupled to a very specific prophesy so there's your double witnessed barrier for entry. 

You should study this more. It's first prophesied in Genesis 3:15

I would recommend you get a strong's concordance so you can studying our books again in good faith using the concordance to furthet deconstruct the canaanite's lies with the most solid foundation in Hebrew you can probably get.

Remember anon... they are NOT jews... they are the edomites trying to steal our birthright and justifying it with a few drops of OUR blood!

___________
"jews began to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860” —Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23 

“Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a jew or to call a contemporary jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.” (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3)

“The modern jew is the product of the Talmud.” -– Michael Rodkinson, in preface of Babylonian Talmud, page XI 

“Edom is in Modern jewry.” (The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41) 

“Pharisaism shaped the character of judaism and the life and thought of the jew for all the future.”  
-Isidore Singer, The jewish Encyclopedia, 9:665-666. 

“No one can deny that the Jews are a most unique and unusual people. That uniqueness exists because of their Edomite heritage. You cannot be English jews. We are a race, and only as a race can we perpetuate. Our mentality is of Edomitish character, and differs from that of an Englishman. Enough subterfuges! Let us assert openly that we are International jews.” 
—Manifesto of the “World jewish Federation,” January 1, 1935, through its spokesperson, Gerald Soman
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>>1205
That's not even what that passage says. It's Adam and Eve being punished for eating the apple, nothing to do with Jews or Israelites or whoever else. Adam and Eve are supposed to be the progenitors of the entire human race so whatever's said to them would apply to everyone, not just to one group. Pic related. The quote is just unrelated.

Do you guys think I can't search Bible passages or something? The shit's all online, first thing I do if I don't remember the passage is go look it up.

As to the copypasta, I'll again turn your head back to the OP;
>>3 (OP) 
This is not a debate thread about Christian Identity or Judaism or Hebrews or Israelites. It's about the values the religion teaches. And now that we've looked up Genesis 3:15, we're back to the argument being that the guy who generally preached and practiced non-violence wants you to murder all the jews based on an extremely convenient interpretation of a parable that wouldn't match the general themes of the rest of the story.
>>1194
>Germans are the Tribe of Judah.
No we arent. We have nothing to do with your little desert shithole
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