/r/ - Religion

>>2334 (OP) 
Humans evolved with religion. Humans will adopt religion under a different name, no matter how one thinks of themselves as too enlightened to be above it. This is clearly self-evident with supposedly secular 'civil rights' movements, where people will convince themselves that everyone is equal, specific countries can do no wrong and must be supported no matter what (Ukraine comes to mind), the COVID movement and forced vaccination regimes, and so on.

From a different lens as a second argument, if two tribes are waging war and the technology levels are equal or near equal, the fanatic will win. Fanaticism is tied with religion, which is part of its winning strategy. A tribe with no fanaticism but superior technology can beat the fanatic tribe, but a fanatic tribe with technology will likewise beat the non-fanatic rival tribe who also likewise possesses technology.

In other words, it's there for a reason in our genetics, and it's not going away. People get sensitive over beliefs, as beliefs decide whether a tribe survives or does not. It follows that defending against invaders and besieging attackers is a necessary component of that. Many belief systems cannot be instilled by a textbook; they can only be passed down and truly believed through consistent action and lifestyle as something in the form of spirituality or religion.

Until we had all sorts of extraordinary tools and devices, religious laws gave us a way to understand the world around us in a way that keeps us going. With how far science has progressed certain malicious forces have hijacked it when the oral stories of wisdom and religious law have been dropped by the mightiest of men. Modern science actively pushes you towards extinction without you even realising it. Science must be reclaimed or as we Slavs call it наука which basically means "learned knowledge" straight up so close to its roots that shares with other words such as учити and знати

they get them when they are too young to have critical thinking and make them drink the kool aid until their brain conforms to that as the default mode. Then when as adults they get exposed to contradicting ideas they get cognitive dissonance. This all comes from the person's birth habitat

>the evopsych arguments for religion
OK but that does not prove good is real

>>2337
My parents were heathens.  I never learned anything from them.  I knew God existed from birth.  I remember when I was about 4, I stole a Canadian flag iron on patch from my friends house. His dad had a bunch of them.  I knew God was not happy about it.  It bothered me for a long time.  I knew I was in trouble, but not because anybody saw me do it, or knew about it.  Only God did.  It was only much late on, I was a teen when I began to learn about Christianity.  Nothing about it surprised me.  I found out that I already believed it all anyway.  It was what I already knew, just without the names and faces attached.  Jack Miner the famous conservationist, who was a heathen well into adulthood, said the same thing.     

It's hard to describe to a heathen, who is not one of God's people, or doesn't know he is, what it is to be one.  Because it's not something you can put your finger on easily.

>>2338
That's all fine, I can respect your religion. I started approaching Christianity in a semi serious way during covid to fit in with the narratives emerging, and I didn't find it an exactly based or redpilled religion the way Americans portrayed it

>>2339
>I didn't find it an exactly based or redpilled religion the way Americans portrayed it
Unsurprising. What's called Judeo-Christianity (synonymous with Noahidism and Christian Fundamentalism) began here after Dispensationalism evolved into Christian Fundamentalism. It's correctly identified as a form of Judaism rather than any form of Christianity.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahidism#Modern_Noahide_movement
I can't think of anything less based than an ethno-supremacist religion of which you are the eternal slave and underclass, on top of the masters being the most physically revolting, spiritually empty, unathletic, uninspiring, vaginal, and sexually / morally repugnant species to ever wander the Earth rivaled only by perhaps jeets.

Look elsewhere for any actual based or red-pilled forms of Christianity, for the most part. It'll be the same amount of intense searching to find volk-based Heathen or Pagan native ethnic European religious groups and movements, unfortunately.

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>>2334 (OP) 
Lets start with doing what most religious people never do (except maybe sometimes in circular logic), define terms. For this sake we shall use:

<from Latin religiō
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/religio#Alternative_forms_2
>Attested in classical Latin (1st century BCE); perhaps from the unattested verb *religō (“to observe, to venerate”) +‎ -io, which could go back (via Proto-Italic *legō (“to care”))
So if you care about something you observe it, much observation is known as veneration.

<from Proto-West Germanic *god n
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/god
>Inherited from Middle English god, from Old English god, originally neuter, then changed to masculine to reflect the change in religion to Christianity
And therein derived from Godin, an epithet of Odin, which is life-force. So a reverence of vitality/life could be a good modern working translation.

People are fools, sometimes it takes a long time, sometimes not, to finally let go lesser desires and in time even greater desires for form/circumstance/condition to be or not be in some way. This is not nihilistic, this has not to do with action/inaction, but your own inner yearning and 'attachment' to the actions.

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My general approach is that each type of system allows one to expand the orbit of their soul and the perspective of their spirit. When that system has accomplished what it needed they will naturally transcend until nothing serve any higher and they are totally liberated yet also totally in control. Like the Buddha.

>>2337
>OK but that does not prove good is real
No, but this might 4U        
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFlqfSldAS5RjCNYEG7LOF4hF5yF3ulmT
It proves freewill is real, and thus you can choose good or evil, respect of life/will or disrespect of it.

>>2339
When you read through Revelation, what I found was that Covid mimicked the story pretty closely actually.  The kings of the earth all banded together to push it.  The coming together of all the leaders of all nations is a theme in it.  Anybody against the program was an evil bastard, anybody pushing the madness was good.  the swapping of the positions of good an evil.  The obvious inability to buy or sell without permission, associated with the Mark Of The Beast.  Shortages, out of control inflation that makes food expensive, that's in there. Creeping tyranny.  Some of the true believers were calling for resisters to be thrown in prison or killed. So much of what is supposed to happen in Revelation, happened during Covid.   I maintain it was dry run, to get people used to the idea, and test out theories and methods.  It worked great in Canada.  Some 90+% in Canada followed along.  Most haven't learned anything, and I'm sure they'll follow along the next time.    Covid was a good time to be reading that story.  You'd have recognized a lot of it.     And when you game it all out in your head to fill in the gaps.  It's what we saw during Covid.  In a way it's good that it happened I think.  The dummies will go along.  Nothing much you can do about that.  But the smart ones won't be surprised by anything, like they were the first time.  There's a definite advantage to already seeing this movie before.

>>2340
Fake jews existed in Christ's time.  And we know they exist at the end of time.  Jews who say they are jews but are not are mentioned in Revelation.  It is not unreasonable to assume they existed all the time in between the two.  Identifying them is pretty simple.  Those who have the father, have the son.  Anybody who tells you he's a jew, but he doesn't believe in Jesus, is a fake jew.  Simple as that.  He is a child of his father the Devil, an actual descendant of evil beings.  A Nephilim essentially, probably through Canaanite lineage, the ones Joshua was supposed to destroy but didn't.  That's how they survived.    

When you read the story of what happened when Jesus went down to the sea to recruit the first apostles, you learn what happens when a real jew who has the father, meets the son. They walked away from their boat and gave up fishing right there, that moment.  Exposure to Jesus results in pretty much immediate discipleship in any real jew. Leif Ericsson described a similar happening when the first Christian missionaries arrived in Iceland.  He said the entire population became Christians.    We don't really know when it happened in Europe.  That info is lost to history now.  But we know it was basically every bit as complete, and occurred probably just as quickly.  God's people follow Jesus.    Anybody can decide they like money and whores more than they like God at any time.   But the genetics eventually bring the family back.   No family line of God's people, go 2000 years, about 40 or 50 generations, and nobody ever comes back.   Only a Child of Satan kills God's son and stays away for 2 millennia.  2000 years ago, there were some real legit jews who hadn't figured it out yet.  It probably took a generation to spread the word around and get most all of them.   Anybody who wasn't a Christian by 70AD, was a child of Satan.  That's all there was left.  The Romans probably never killed a single real jew in Jerusalem, when they sacked and burned it.   Just like God never killed a real actual genetic human in The Great Flood.  Noah and his family were the last ones.    

To be sliding around with these evil Children of Satan, that's proof I think that you as a Christian are deeply flawed.  When you can't tell good from evil by looking at it, there's something deeply spiritually wrong with you.  And it actually worship of a false messiah.  That's what they don't understand.  These talmud kikes  consider themselves, the jewish race, the messiah.  When they take over the world, that's the arrival of messiah.  I'm not saying that, that's what the talmud says.  You fawn all over those demons
>ooohhhh God's chosen people.  I'll do anything for you.  I bless you.
you're worshipping a false messiah.  You're worshiping the created, not the creator.  The Bible tells us not to do that.  Let alone some demon, created by the devil himself.  

I said I believed in God from birth.  It wasn't from birth, but I loathed jews at a very young age as well. And that was never taught to me either.  My parents adore kikes.  I used to get in trouble for making fun of them on occasion.   I never did like them.  I always instinctively knew there was something wrong with kikes.   Even when I didn't know what it was.

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>>2334 (OP) 
This is another thing I don't understand - people believing in god ( as in, existing in your mentality, existing as something that guides your way ), and people believing in god ( as in, hes sitting on a cloud, literally, watching you, cursing or blessing you, hes up there, in the mystic flesh ).

Again. I can understand having that sort of spiritual bearing, soul deep, whatever. But come on, the latter is just medieval, and I feel like so many people waste so much time and energy on it, especially given the situation we're in. Do you guys really need it? Have you actually convinced yourself that a skydaddy actually still physically exists today? because I personally will never be able to believe in such a thing.

>>2347
>But come on, the latter is just medieval
Its not, its new age, modernist bullshit to dumb down the past for the lowest common denominator in current times.

>>2344
Checked.

When I refer to Christian Fundamentalism, I am referring to a very specific movement which began in North America.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fundamentalism
Christian Fundamentalism is an evolution of Dispensationalism (the idea that jews have any positive role in Christianity whatsoever, let alone the modern foreign converts of the original jews which are now extinct and themselves had little to do with Israelites or Hebrews), which also began here. Christian Fundamentalism also includes Millennialism, Rapturism, and apocalyptic End Times elements tied to these.

These are de facto Noahidism, as they not only state that the original covenant of the Old Testament is still valid, they go further and state that the foreign converts of the Pharisees and Sadducees (those called jews in addition to those who call themselves the jews but are not) have a valued role and that Christians must be subservient to them which is Noahide slave law. All of this is a recent North America phenomenon which expanded to Canada from the United States, along with countries which are historically under U.S. imperial control such as South Korea, Liberia, and more. It is incorrect to call this Christianity, when it is a form of Judaism was my point.

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>>2339
>I started approaching Christianity in a semi serious way during covid to fit in with the narratives emerging, and I didn't find it an exactly based or redpilled religion
So did I. Imagine my shock when I learned that the main author of the new testament was a self described genitally mutilated pharisaic rabbi mohel jew from what is now Eastern Turkey talking about all the goyim bowing down to the messiah of the tribal deity of the jews.
Absolutely shocking stuff. What's even more shocking was to learn that there were nationalistic types pretending to be christian and christian types pretending to be nationalistic. Absurd.

Luckily, I found that I really didn't need jews to tell me about God, our own peoples have written much better scripture anyway.

>>2370
They had an african led christian band playing on stage and all of the liturgy they focused on was about Love. Christ is love, embrace the love etc. Old people and not exactly exciting. This was not even a prog church, it was one supposedly more christ focussed and this is what they were doing. This "based church" thing is not real except in some american constituencies, I am not networking with the hard right brothers in these places. Moreover I was getting some tip offs the pastor himself was working with feds. So I can't see who the hell would want to go to these things as a cultural christian type.

>>2366
> All of this jew worship is a recent North American phenomenon.
Some people trace it back to Cyrus Schofield, and it probably does go that far.  But it never got popular until the boomer era publishing of The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsay.  Which was then further spread by people like Jack Van Impe.  Those books and TV shows probably never had much reach beyond Canada and the US, so the poisons, confusions and false doctrines of Lindsay couldn't be spread worldwide.  Thankfully.  But they sure did a number on us.  

The Old Covenant wasn't removed by Jesus.  That happened 400+ years before Jesus ever got here.  The Ark Of The Covenant was destroyed, God probably never set foot in the Second Temple.   Certainly not after the killing of Zechariah.  God never sent another prophet after him.  The glowing cloud that symbolized his presence there was never seen.  He did not send fire down from heaven to consume the sacrifice.  God called off the Old Covenant and took a hike long before Jesus was born.   If I had to guess, the Children of Satan with their talmudic garbage, had fully taken over the temple, and the leadership positions in Israelite society, before the second temple was even built.  The ripping of the curtain of the Holy of Holies, we are told today, symbolizes the fact that God can be approached by everyone now.   But I believe it also had another purpose. When the curtain was torn down, it revealed an empty room, with nothing in it.  The Ark was not there, God was not there.  It showed the average Israelite that the phony Children of Satan larping as temple priests, had been doing nothing but fucking them out of their donations for hundreds of years.  Pretending it was temple, and they were priests, putting on a show, when in actual fact, there was nothing there.    What real Israelite, after learning that, would continue following the Children of Satan?   Nobody.  That's why there are no Israelites still practicing talmudism left on earth today.  But we can't talk about anything like that in church today.  It might make people not like the children of Satan, that most are convinced are God's chosen people.  They don't even want to hear it, and recoil from it, like we are the devil for even suggesting it.

>>2374
I wouldn't set foot in a church today.   I'll go there for funerals, but I'm not going to sit there and be told I have to worship the Children of Satan, and other assorted heresies.  And I agree, God may love you, but you better be afraid of him.  That's not me saying that, he says that.     People don't fear the consequences of being wrong anymore.  I tell people, ok you want to believe those demons in Israel are God's Chosen people, fine.  Just don't worship them.  But they don't seem to care.  They don't have enough fear of God to be afraid of what might happen to them if I'm right and they're not.   

I wonder what this thing going on in Palestine is doing to them right now.  Has mask off had any effect on them?  Are they beginning to wonder if these people are evil maybe.  I don't really have any firm idea yet.  I hope so.  But I've been told by some of them to my face in no uncertain terms, nothing will ever turn them from their unwavering support of the jew.  Literally, I've been told that.  I guess that's the polite way of saying, stop talking about it.

>>2374
Yeah. Over here, all the churches toed the line and closed down during the lockdowns too. Just absolutely cucked. Not too surprising, given that they all sided against Hitler too.
I'm not even against having a cult to the god(dess) of Love, but it probably shouldn't be conflated with scripture written by jews, or the cult to the King of the Gods. At least the catholics had the sense to keep some of that polytheism and spread out the responsibilities a bit, but prot churches are just atheism with extra steps.
There aren't even any based churches in America to my knowledge. The only Whites only churches are literally operated the Asatru Folk Assembly (ie. explicit Nordic heathens).

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>>2366
> All of this is a recent North America phenomenon
This is true, but that's because you guys were the first to actually take the religion seriously and not get wiped out. Many of your ancestors were religious dissidents in Europe and fled persecution to the New World. There, you could actually read your bible without the secular authorities or social pressures getting in your way, and it turns out that the new testament's main author is a genitally mutilated pharisaic rabbi mohel jew who says to goyim to give gibs to jews in repayment of the religion the goyim have been given: >>2370
>>2375
>Some people trace it back to Cyrus Schofield
Scofield didn't rewrite a single world of the text. His work is just footnotes, that's it. He didn't rewrite Saul into a genitally mutilated pharisaic rabbi mohel jew. Saul himself wrote that: >>2370

>>2376
The old testament was kind of based in it's depictions of a vengeful god who could be a destroyer. The reduction of the new testament to some new age religion based on "love, love love" is quite absurd

>>2378
>Over here, all the churches toed the line and closed down during the lockdowns too.

Same in Canada for the most part, except for a very small few.   It was quite disappointing to see.  I had the displeasure of witnessing a shouting match between my brother and my parents over that very issue.  I was involved only a little bit.  I wanted to get right in, as I always do.  But my dad had a heart attack only a couple weeks before and that's the only reason I stayed pretty quiet.  I didn't want him having another one.  My brother's church was in the process of deciding whether they wanted to defy the rules and open anyway.  My brother was for it, I was too, even though I don't go there.  My parents were utterly unhinged.  
>What happens when all the hospitals are filled up with sick people cuz your church opened, and your daughter has a car accident?  And she can't get in...
It was just total department of health bullshit.  They bought it all, which really surprised me.  Anyway, the church chickened out so it didn't matter.    

I'm always asking myself, who's going to make it through Revelation, and the answer is nobody.  Everybody will be swept up, one way or the other.   And a curious note on that little happening.  That was the only time I ever got yelled at during Covid.  Not by some Karen bitch teller at the bank, by my own parents.  Revelation says that your worst enemies will be the people in your own house.  I can see that, with absolute clarity.  The absolute truth.   

>>2381

Lets be honest.  It's a carrot and stick proposition.   You can't be all carrot and no stick, or all stick and no carrot.  The two work together.  Some respond to the carrot, some to the stick.  To be perfectly honest, I responded to the stick.  Love, love, love wouldn't have meant much to me.  I'm not the kind of person who needs to be loved.  The two of them are there for a reason.   It would be nice to not need the stick, but it's not the way humans work.  Everything is a carrot and stick proposition on this earth.

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>>2391
>who's going to make it through Revelation
I don't think you ought to worry too much about the rambling revenge fantasies of a messianic apocalyptic jew after his demonic temple got wrecked by the White man.

>>2393
People that can't grasp things like Revelation even as a symbolic reference are always the most soulless of 94 IQ midwit nu-atheists. Imagine if every time Pandora's Box is referenced, you spergs went errmn askhully Greek mythology isn't real.

You need to be strangled and placed in a shallow ditch with the niggers, muzzies, fags, and jews is my point here.

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>>2394
>symbolic strawmen
I never said it wasn't full of symbolism. You have to put in the work to compensate for your degraded jogger-filled school system and learn to read gooder on your own time.
>atheist strawman
I worship God the Father. You worship some semitic tribal demon. Try again.
>and jews
Had jews been "strangled and placed in a shallow ditch", you would have had no one to tell you about the midrashic messiah of the tribal demon of the jews.

>>2395
>I never said it wasn't full of symbolism. You have to put in the work to compensate for your degraded jogger-filled school system and learn to read gooder on your own time.
My reading comprehension is beyond adequate—in fact, what I engaged in was very accurate subtext analysis by inferring your actual intent which was clearly demonstrated by writing off the other anon's very real apprehensions about living in a society and future which matches the horrors and descriptions in Revelation.
<I don't think you ought to worry too much about the rambling revenge fantasies of a messianic apocalyptic jew
You pilpul like a jew justifying raping underaged children in the talmud, as here is your statement right above showing that I detected your midwittery correctly.

>>2393
Is that really what you think it's about?  If so, Europe is more far gone than I imagined it was.

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>>2397
>I don't have to engage with what you say and can instead engage with what I claim you say
I get quite enough of this from my wife, thank you.
>you're a jew if you don't worry about the apocalyptic ramblings of jews
Oookay then. So anyway...
>>2398
It objectively is. The whole thing is a polemic against Rome, which had just pushed in their shit, destroyed their gay temple and ethnically cleansed them from their land.

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>>2394
Revelation is clearly not symbolism. That is like a reinterpretation of the world it's talking about. The guy had a prophetic vision involving bowls of blood, flying locusts with scorpion tails, a beasts with many heads from the sea. It is clearly said that that this vision is supposed to actually happen. Trying to re-imagine this as merely metaphorical is cope. You might as well reimagine the whole old testament right down to the burning bush in that light if that's your metric

>>2401
Revelation can absolutely be interpreted as symbolic and useful in that context, even if you don't believe a word of it as factual truth. This is why I brought up Pandora's Box, and how the other anon's faggotry would be immediately called out and despised for the social outcast loser behavior that it is if he did the same thing whenever someone made an apt reference or parallel with Greek mythology.

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>>2402
Okay, so what is the point at which you decide to transition from literal into metaphor? I never saw one. The people of the period believed in miracles, in magic, in supernatural forces and all the rest. It is back-pedalling to say they merely meant this to be a metaphor

>>2399
No amount of references to 90's jew movies (you could have picked a good film like Tropical Thunder instead) is going to undo your faggotry behavior in this thread.
<Oookay then. So anyway...
Literal woman / redditor typing style, by the way.
>>2403
So what? The Romans believed Romulus was raised by a she-wolf. The Greeks thoroughly believed their mythologies as fact. We, to this day, profit and can extract wisdom from said legends and mythologies. Revelation, to my knowledge, is the only ancient piece of wisdom to ever warn about a society where your ability to buy and trade itself is warranted from a permanent mark demonstrating your loyalty to the state. No society in human history did this, clearly showing that the author was not referring to current events at their time, but instead predicting the future. And boy, did the author call it correctly with COVID mandates, vaccine passports, and all the horrors that are soon coming for us millennia after it was spoken and written.

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>>2404
I was baffled by you thinking your reading comprehension was "beyond adequate" when you so blatantly invented entire arguments wholecloth with which to debate, but then I realized that 54% of U.S. adults read below a sixth-grade level and that you think using a still from a movie as a meme is an endorsement of it as a piece of cinema.
>Literal woman
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

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>>2404
I'm not making an issue of the truth value of this religion in my statements. It's about when people try to interpret the scriptures as being metaphorical, or somehow more contemporary and relevant than they really are. I think that's the leap.

If you are a christian who accepts the bible after jesus's story, all of this is real and is a prophecy to come to pass. That's the real belief system. It isn't a metaphor about the beast with many heads being the leaders of different countries or whatever, or the bowls of blood being symbolic of mass death. It's a vision and this is what the guy saw, and it's supposed to really happen.  That's the point I am making

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>>2404
Btw, I know that this might as well be the 1800s to you zoomers, but Zoolander and Tropic Thunder aren't from the 90s.

>>2405
The complete annihilation of Israel, along with you jews is guaranteed later this century. I will celebrate when you are dead and your homeland is in flames.

>>2408
>*generic 4chan derad noises*
boring

>>2409
Observe, anons: this poster LARPs as a David Lane-esque Pagan with his 'one-eyed all father' nonsense (lol), yet flees from any statements that such believers would fully adhere to and agree with. This is the roaming /r/abbi from earlier this year. He will not denounce the talmud, the torah, the jew, and israel.

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>>2410
I know you're explicitly advised to schizopost here, but this still takes the cake for most strawmen fabricated and delusions expressed per word typed.
I will bid you adieu and pray that you will refrain from (you)ing me unsolicited again.

>>2411
<*generic plebbit jewish noises*

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>>2411
>I will bid you adieu and pray that you will refrain from (you)ing me unsolicited again.
Yeah, go back to doing what you do best: retreating with your tail tucked after you lob insults at everyone, before folding in an instant when you get punched back.

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>>2411
You're gonna need a lot more than smug memes and pseudo arguments to get by here. *SNAP*