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Are we literally supposed to cut off our balls ? Or just live like eunuchs? What do these words of jesus mean?
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Some were born sterile.
Some made sterile by others
Some choose to be virgins, that is celibate.

The Church has always anathematized self-castration. And every time it appears, with the Skoptsy, ofr example, it is named a heresy.

The first canon of the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD forbade clergy members to voluntarily castrate themselves "when in perfect health", but freely accepted those who had been either castrated by others against their will, castrated due to a medical sickness or necessity, or those born as eunuchs.
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>>27

Why did Origen Castrate himself?


>“While Origen was teaching in Alexandria, he did something that gave proof enough of his young and immature mind, but also of his faith and self-control. He took the saying, ‘There are those who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake’ (Matthew 19:12) in too literal and absurd a sense and he was eager to fulfill the Savior’s words and also to forestall any slander on the part of unbelievers for despite his youth, he held forth on religious matters before women as well as men. So he quickly carried out the Savior’s words, trying to do so unnoticed by most of his students. But however much he wished it, he could not possibly hide such a deed

https://earlychurchhistory.org/medicine/origens-castration/

https://earlychurchhistory.org/medicine/origens-castration/


I would have to source it but there where cases of other early Christians practicing castrations as well.
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>>27
>Some were born sterile.
>Some made sterile by others
>Some choose to be virgins, that is celibate.


why did he not just say that instead of use the term eunuch? It was a practice on slaves in the area and in the case of Origen was taken literally.
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>>23 (OP) 
>live like
The verse does not say like in Greek. Please consult the original text. Modern translations have inserted like because they are deliberately deceitful and wish to cover up the fact that Jesus was talking about literal castration.
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>>29
Origen got anathematized multiple times over this and other issues. He is not a reliable argument for Christianity at large. 

>>30
Metaphor and parallel imagery. And/or see following.

>>31
eunouchos: Eunuch
Original Word: εὐνοῦχος
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: eunouchos
Pronunciation: yoo-noo'-khos
Phonetic Spelling: (yoo-noo'-khos)
Definition: Eunuch
Meaning: (a) a chamberlain, keeper of the bed-chamber of an eastern potentate, eunuch, (b) a eunuch, castrated person, or one who voluntarily abstains from marriage.

Word Origin: From the Greek words εὐνή (eunē, meaning "bed") and ἔχω (echō, meaning "to have" or "to hold")

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H5631 (סָרִיס, saris): Often translated as "eunuch" in the Old Testament, referring to officials in royal service, such as in the account of Esther (Esther 2:3).
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>>32
>Metaphor

Is this verse metaphorical too ? what's it real meaning decoded. Or are we supposed to hate our family?
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>>34
μισέω, μισῶ; imperfect ἐμίσουν; future μισήσω; 1 aorist ἐμίσησα; perfect μεμίσηκα; passive, present participle μισουμενος; perfect participle μεμισημενος (Revelation 18:2); the Sept. for שָׂנֵא; (from Homer down); to hate, pursue with hatred, detest; passive to be hated, detested: τινα, Matthew 5:43 and Rec. in ; ; Luke 1:71; Luke 6:22, 27; Luke 19:14; John 7:7; John 15:18ff, ; ; Titus 3:3; 1 John 2:9 (); ; Revelation 17:16; passive, Matthew 10:22; Matthew 24:9; (Mark 13:13); Luke 21:17; τί: John 3:20; Revelation 7:15; Ephesians 5:29; Hebrews 1:9; Jude 1:23; Revelation 2:6 and Rec. in 15; passive Revelation 18:2. Not a few interpreters have attributed to μισεῖν in Genesis 29:31 (cf. Genesis 29:30); Deuteronomy 21:15; Matthew 6:24; Luke 14:26; Luke 16:13; (John 12:25); Romans 9:13, the signification to love less, to postpone in love or esteem, to slight, through oversight of the circumstance that 'the Orientals, in accordance with their greater excitability, are accustomed both to feel and to profess love and hate where we Occidentals, with our cooler temperament, feel and express nothing more than interest in, or disregard and indifference to a thing'; Fritzsche, Commentary on Romans, ii., p. 304; cf. Rückert, Magazin f. Exegese u. Theologie des N. T., p. 27ff

Strong language is also likely from the context:

The Cost of Being a Disciple

25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. 27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

28 “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? 29 For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, 30 saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’

31 “Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32 If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

34 “Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? 35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out.

“Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”
>>32
>one who voluntarily abstains from marriage.
You are quoting the opinion of Strong, who was simply a theologian. This is no different than asking your pastor his opinion on the verse. Strong offers no citations for this sense. He merely asserts it without evidence, because that is the excuse the church invented when they wanted to cover up the early Christian tranny problem.
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>>34
Do not yield on the translation issues surrounding matt. 19:12. Christians will pilpul you to death and flat out lie to prevent anyone from seeing the verse for what it is.
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>>44
>>45
Besides Origen, there is no recorded instance of Christians practicing self-castration. It was considered heretical by AD 231, and was somewhat dubious in the account of Origen. The consensus is that one might "Self castrate" by celibacy, one may not physically do so. You are conflating heresy and orthodoxy.

>See Nicaea above

>Christian trannie problem
Evidence of accepted, widespread practice?

>What it is
Some were born sterile.
Some made sterile by others
Some choose to be virgins, that is celibate.
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>>50
>Some choose to be virgins
That's not what it says you lying bastard. Here is the verb in a real dictionary with citations:
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aalphabetic+letter%3D*e%3Aentry+group%3D295%3Aentry%3Deu%29nouxi%2Fzw
>A.castrate, τινα Ev.Matt.19.12 (Act. and Pass.), Luc.Sat. 12, etc.; “γυναῖκας” Xanth.19: metaph., “γῆν” Philostr.V A6.42; “φάρμακον” Archig. ap.Orib.8.2.8:—Pass., Gal.4.570, D.C.68.2.

The verb just means to castrate. That's it.
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>>56
How is that any more or less reliable than Strongs? We do not have the ability to be there and ask clarifying questions. In lie of that, one as to take it in the context of accepted practice, tradition and exegesis. This has been: 
Some were born sterile.
Some castrated by others
Some choose to be virgins, as if they were castrated, that is celibate.

Here is the preceding verses in the KJB:
1 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;
2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

This is the strongest language in a english Bible that supports your claim. Christ says God made Man for marriage, and then is strict on marriage and divorce. Good. The disciples are dismayed. He then says Matt. 19:12. 

At absolute best, one could claim physical castration, pointing to the 2nd part of the verse, while ignoring the incredible preponderance of evidence to the contrary. The Church, and I with the Church claim: Some may choose to be virgins, as if they were castrated, that is celibate. Furthermore, deliberate self-castration is anathema, and only ever seen with heretics.

Let the reader choose.
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>>63
>How is that any more or less reliable than Strongs?
That's very easy to answer: Strong reached far up his gaping asshole to invent that definition while the LSJ cites multiple Greek texts supporting a single meaning—to castrate. If you don't recognize the citations it's because they are abbreviated. There's a guide to the abbreviations at the beginning of the dictionary.

Furthermore, there's an array of dictionaries which support the castration sense right here:
https://logeion.uchicago.edu/%CE%B5%E1%BD%90%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%87%CE%AF%CE%B6%CF%89
If you scroll right there's even a New Testament dictionary saying the same thing—to castrate.

The fact is Strong used a definition that finds no support in the text or older texts, and the dictionaries show nobody agrees with him anymore.
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>>65
Strong recognized the context. That is, no Church, ever, said those verses meant anything other than:
>Some may choose to be virgins, as if they were castrated, that is celibate.

εὐνουχίζω barely shows up in the corpus and remember how much the meaning of words change. Look at the words: gender, love, repentance, forgiveness, so on, soforth. Again, lacking the precise meaning, one has to go with the context as above. No Church ever thought it meant self castration. No non anathematized person of any stripe ever taught it. It never shows up except in heretical sects. 

You'd think the early Christians would have kept circumcision if they were perfectly fine with castration. They did not promote either, nor did they practice either.
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>>68
Justin Martyr's apology testifies to the fact that castration was a thing among early Christians. Even worse is that Martyr saw nothing wrong with it and actually thought bragging about doing it was a "defense" of Christianity
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>>70
Specific opposition to a claim that Christians were sex maniacs as an example of ideological purity. 

A young, zealous man can and will do stupid things in his zeal. Notice when forbidden from castrating himself via a surgeon, the youth did not seek it elsewhere, nor castrate himself, nor was there any  practice of it among Christians, else in that context Justin would have mentioned it. Instead he sought celibacy, which has always been accepted by the Church. This is more a support of the traditional and correct position of:
>Some may choose to be virgins, as if they were castrated, that is celibate.
Than your claim.
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>>72
>Notice when forbidden from castrating himself via a surgeon, the youth did not seek it elsewhere, nor castrate himself,
Because it was illegal and he might have died without a professional surgeon performing the operation.

>nor was there any  practice of it among Christians,
It says right there that a Christian was trying to do it, and Martyr finds nothing strange about it. He doesn't even comment that it's a bad idea, just that he wasn't allowed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valesians
>The Valesians were a Christian sect that advocated self-castration. The sect was founded by Valens (of Bacetha Metrocomia)
>They were notorious for forcibly castrating travelers whom they encountered and guests who visited them.[3]

>They are known chiefly from the Panarion of Epiphanius of Salamis, which describes how disciples of the sect were not allowed to eat meat until they had been castrated,
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>>78
Go to another city, or pay a slave cutter. So on, so forth. Nothing about illegality, really bears matter here. If it was established doctrine, they'd had someone to do it, or the youth would have done it anyway. They didn't. He didn't.

From the same wikipedia page:

>They are known chiefly from the Panarion of Epiphanius of Salamis, which describes how disciples of the sect were not allowed to eat meat until they had been castrated, because those who are not castrated might be tempted to lust by eating certain foods. According to the Panarion, their views on authorities and powers were similar to those of Sethianism or of the Archontics. (Both sects of Gnostics)

>Their doctrine was condemned as heresy by the Synod of Achaia.

More Gnostics like Origen. Not Christians, but certainly heretics. No bearing on the Church proper.
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Parasitism is the most common lifestyle on Earth [1,2], and parasites can target hosts across the full range of biological complexity, from single cells to individuals, and entire societies. Hosts in turn can fend off parasites via their genetic constitution and/or physiological responses (innate and induced immunity [3– 5]), and by adjusting their behaviour to avoid and/or treat infection (behavioural immunity [6]). Over evolutionary time, parasites and their hosts are locked in an arms race, where parasites continually evolve mechanisms to exploit hosts more effectively, while hosts continually evolve better defences [7]. Nests of social insects (ants, bees, wasps, and termites) can be especially attractive to parasites, because they usually contain high densities of genetically similar individuals, and rich resource stores [8]. Within social insects, some species have evolved to parasitize other social insects [9–12]. Social parasites are especially numerous in ants, where they fall roughly into three categories: permanent inquilines, slave-makers, and temporary social parasites [9,13]. Permanent inquilines coexist with the host species, whereas slave-making
ants raid other colonies to capture and enslave their brood [13,14]. In temporary social parasite species, parasite queens invade host colonies, kill the host queen(s), initiate egg-laying, and take advantage of the brood care behaviour of host workers. If successful, this can lead to the loss of the entire future reproductive output of the host colony [9].


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https://www.antwiki.org/wiki/images/1/1b/Pulliainen%2C_U.%2C_Helantera%2C_H._et_al._2019._The_possible_role_of_ant_larvae_in_the_defence_against_social_parasites_%2810.1098%40rspb.2018.2867%29.pdf

Parasitic castration is a strategy where parasites disrupt or block their host's reproductive abilities to their own benefit, often by diverting energy from reproduction to parasite or host growth. This strategy is seen in various parasitic species, including some insects, trematodes, and crustaceans. Parasites may achieve this by directly damaging the host's reproductive organs, secreting chemicals that interfere with reproduction, or altering host behaviour to promote parasite survival.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
How it works: 
      Direct Damage: Some parasites physically damage or consume the host's reproductive organs, like how the parasitic barnacle Sacculina can cause the testes of its crab host to degenerate. 
    • Chemical Interference: Other parasites release chemicals that disrupt the host's reproductive process, such as the trematode Zoogonus lasius, which chemically castrates snails.
    • Behavioral Manipulation: Some parasites can manipulate the host's behaviour to enhance parasite transmission or survival. For example, the parasite Xenos vesparum can alter the behavior of its paper wasp host, causing it to abandon the colony and potentially die, benefiting the parasite.
    • Resource Diversion: Parasites may divert energy that would normally be used for reproduction to parasite growth or host growth, potentially leading to gigantism in the host.
Examples: 
    • Strepsipteran insects: Xenos vesparum is a well-studied example of a parasitic castrator that affects paper wasps. 
    • Trematodes: Various trematode species, like those found in molluscs, can castrate their hosts, diverting energy that would normally go into reproduction into host growth and parasite development. 
    • Barnacles: Barnacles like Sacculina can cause male crabs to develop female secondary sex characteristics and lose their reproductive ability.
Consequences: 
    • Host: Castrated hosts lose their ability to reproduce, which can impact the host population dynamics. 
    • Parasite: Parasitic castration allows parasites to exploit the host's resources more effectively, potentially increasing their reproductive success and survival.
Evolutionary Considerations: 
    • Trade-off: Parasitic castration represents a trade-off between host consumption and parasite longevity. 
    • Coevolution: Host populations may evolve counter-adaptations to parasitic castration, such as increased early reproduction before being castrated


Social parasitism is the coexistence of two or more ant species in one nest or colony. It involves a parasitic species which is dependent on one or several host species. The relationship can be obligatory or facultative, permanent or temporary. These relationships can take many forms and have been classified in various ways. 
Holldobler & Wilson (1990), following a suggestion of Wasmann (1891), distinguished between "compound nests" and "mixed colonies". 
    • Compound nests (xenobiosis) involve two species of ants living together in the same nest but keeping their broods separate. One species lives in the walls or chambers of the nests of the other and moves freely among its hosts, obtaining food from them by one means or another, usually by soliciting regurgitation. The details of specific relationships vary with the species involved, and can broadly be classified into a series of essentially continuous types. 
        ◦ Plesiobiosis. In this most rudimentary association, different ant species nest very close to each other, but engage in little or no direct communication. 
        ◦ Cleptobiosis. Some species of small ants build nests near those of larger species and either feed on refuse in the host kitchen middens or rob the host workers when they return home carrying food. 
        ◦ Lestobiosis. Certain small species, most belonging to Solenopsis and related genera, stay in the walls of large nests built by other ants or termites and enter the nest chambers of their hosts to steal food and prey on the inhabitants. 
        ◦ Parabiosis. In this peculiar form of symbiosis, two or more species use the same nest and sometimes even the same odour trails, but they keep their brood separate.
    • Mixed colonies comprise temporary parasites, slave-makers (dulosis) and inquilines, where the host workers care for the parasite brood, at least temporarily.
As an alternative, Buschinger (2009), in his review of social parasitism, proposed the following classification: 
    • Xenobiosis (guest ants, sometimes called cleptobiosis or kleptobiosis) - The biology of Formicoxenus nitidulus provides natural history information about one representative guest ant. 
    • Temporary parasitism (occurring together only during colony foundation) - The biology of Lasius umbratus provides natural history information about one representative temporarily parasitic ant. 
    • Permanent parasitism with slavery (dulosis) - The biology of Temnothorax muellerianus and Polyergus rufescens provide representative accounts of dulosis. Note that slave-making species range from being largely self-sufficient and easily able to survive without the support of slaves (facultative dulosis, as in Formica sanguinea), to having a very limited behavioral repertory and apparently completely helpless without their slaves (referred to as degenerate slavemakers) (Holldobler & Wilson, 1990).
"Obligatory slavemakers" are completely and permanently dependent on regular replenishment of their slave stock by raiding host species colonies. The term "degenerate slavemaker" has been coined for species that belong to a monophylum of obligatory slavemaking species but have secondarily abandoned the slavemaker worker caste, or reduced its number, hence can‘t conduct slave raids. Examples are Temnothorax kraussei (reduced slavemaker workers to a few, or zero), Temnothorax corsicus and Temnothorax adlerzi (both workerless; all three belong to former genus Myrmoxenus), and Temnothorax brunneus (workerless, former genus Chalepoxenus). The distinction is necessary since the queens of the degenerate slavemakers have retained the colony foundating behavior of their actively dulotic relatives, i.e. kill the host coloy queen by throttling her to death (former Myrmoxenus) or stinging (former Chalepoxenus). This is different from workerless inquilines whose queens live in queenright host species colonies, and who most probably derive directly from an independent species (example Leptothorax kutteri and Leptothorax pacis with Leptothorax acervorum as host species). 
    • Permanent parasitism without slavery (inquilinism) - The biology of Tetramorium inquilinum (as Teleutomyrmex schneideri) provides natural history information about one representative inquiline ant.
Parasite Evolution
Understanding how ants evolved to be parasites of other ants is an important, long-standing question.Hölldoble rand Wilson (1990) stated the following "Social parasitism in ants is complicated . . . the source of the complexity is first the large number of ant species that have entered into some form of parasitic relationship with each other. Second, at least two and possibly three major evolutionary routes lead to the ultimate stage of permanent, workerless parasitism. Finally, no two species are exactly alike in the details of their parasitic adaptation." 

Chemical Deception Among Social Parasites
Guillem et al. (2014) examined cuticular hydrocarbon (CHC) profiles among the parasites Camponotus universitatis, Harpagoxenus sublaevis‎‎ and Strongylognathus testaceus and their hosts. They found that the parasitic species had CHC profiles that were indistinguishable from that of their hosts, even when the parasite is using more than one host species. The level of chemical mimicry even extended to the more subtle between-colony differences in profiles. In all cases the profiles of un-parasitized colonies were similar to those that were parasitized indicating that it is the parasites that have adjusted their profile to match that of their host and not vice versa. This explains why these social parasites are fully integrated members of each colony and are treated as nest-mates. 
They also noted that in some species, for example Harpagoxenus sublaevis (Winter and Buschinger, 1986), raiding workers are frequently killed or driven off when trying to raid or invade new host colonies, since they are carrying their own host colony odour, which is likely to be different from that of the one they are raiding. This is why parasites continue to use a wide range of other chemical and morphological adaptations associated with their parasitic lifestyle. These include a thickened cuticle and production of ((( appeasement or propaganda compounds ))) (e.g. Allies et al., 1986; Lloyd et al., 1986; Ollett et al., 1987; D'Ettorre et al., 2000). These tactics allow the parasite time to make the necessary adjustments to its profile. Acquiring a host profile may be possible in just a few hours (R. Kather, pers. comm., cited in Guillem et al. (2014)). 

https://www.antwiki.org/wiki/Social_Parasitism

Abstract. Ant inquilines are obligate social parasites, usually lacking a sterile worker
caste, which are dependent on their hosts for survival and reproduction. Social parasites are rare among the fungus-gardening ants (Myrmicinae: tribe Attini) and only four species are known until now, all being inquilines from the Higher Attini. We describe Mycocepurus castrator sp.n., the first inquiline social parasite to be discovered in the Lower Attini. Our study of the parasite’s behaviour and life history supports the conclusion drawn from external morphology: Mycocepurus castrator is an evolutionarily derived inquiline parasite of Mycocepurus goeldii. Inquilines are of great interest to evolutionary biology because it is debated if they originated via sympatric or allopatric speciation. We discuss the life history evolution, behaviour and morphology of socially parasitic, fungus-growing ants.

Introduction
Societies of all social organisms are defined by reproductive division of labour, co-operative brood care and overlapping generations (Batra, 1966; Mitchener, 1969; Wilson, 1971; H¨olldobler & Wilson, 1990). Among the social insects, ants are unique in that all extant species are eusocial, except for a few inquiline social parasites, in which eusociality has been lost secondarily, due to the marked reduction (or more often complete loss) of the worker caste. Inquiline social parasites are
highly adapted to exploit their host colonies and depend completely on the host workers for food provisioning, brood care, and other colony maintenance tasks (Kutter, 1969; Wilson, 1971; Buschinger, 1986, 2009; H¨olldobler & Wilson, 1990; Bourke & Franks, 1991).
Ant social parasites may be categorized according to their host interactions (Wasmann, 1891; H¨olldobler & Wilson,1990). (i) In temporary social parasites, the parasite queen must be adopted by a host colony and depends on the host colony to raise the first generation of her own worker offspring. When sufficient workers of the parasitic species are produced, the colony becomes independent of the host. (ii) Dulotic or slave-making parasites steal worker brood from host colonies and the emerging host workers provide social tasks (i.e. brood care, foraging, nest hygiene) that ensure the parasite colony’s survival. In addition, dulotic queens found colonies parasitically in a manner similar to temporary social parasites. (iii) Inquiline parasites depend on the host species for their entire life cycle. The inquiline foundress invades a host colony and uses the host workers to raise her sexual brood. Interestingly, the parasite queen generally does not produce a sterile worker force. Thus, her reproductive output depends entirely on the host species. In host-queen tolerant inquilines, host and parasite queens coexist, but the host queen’s fitness is compromised because the
parasite inhibits the production of sexual offspring, whereas the production of host workers is continued. In contrast, the inquiline queen maximizes her fitness by producing exclusively sexual offspring (Kutter, 1969; Wilson, 1971; Buschinger, 1986; H¨olldobler & Wilson, 1990). Because host workers continue to be produced, the parasitized colony may survive indefinitely. In host-queen intolerant inquilines (a minority of inquiline species) the host queen is eliminated somehow and reproduction of the parasite ceases when the host workers die off. Thus, parasitized colonies have a short life span.

Etymology. During collections of M. castrator, the host colonies were not observed to produce any alate queens and males, although sympatrically nesting M. goeldii colonies released alates. Therefore, we assume that the inquiline inhibits the host queens’ production of sexual offspring, allowing only for the production of the sterile worker caste. This is essentially ‘social castration’, hence the specific name ‘castrator’.

https://antwiki.org/wiki/images/a/ad/Rabeling_&_Bacci_2010.pdf

Funny how universal phenomena apply from the smallest to the largest scales. Especially when you consider social castes and the existence of the priesthood and enforcer caste. With this situation wouldn’t the host lose its priesthood to castration and celibacy leading to a normie and social parasite world?
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>>96
What a wall of text that isn't even relevant to the thread. Ty for your effort anon.

Thank God for married Orthodox priests and widower bishops. Of all the religions derived from Christianity, only the Catholics demand celibacy of their priesthood.
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>>99
>What a wall of text that isn't even relevant to the thread.

>Race of social parasites that creates propaganda to manipulate the host species for the purpose of exploiting the host. This being eerily similar to behaviours witnessed in eusocial insects down to the point of castration and removal of leadership castes. All of the moral frameworks(ideologies/religions) created by this subspecies fit the same pattern. 

It’s absolutely retarded how you all try to make a mountain out of a molehill with your instinctual/desire based belief system. Narcissists, egoists, and psychopaths will concoct any justification necessary to protect their self-interest.

>muh eternal bliss land for good goys 
>muh eternal sufferingo for bad goys 
>eat the flesh of the lamb of god kek
>a zombie carpenter son of god died for you but came back to life bro 
>water to wine bro, loads of bread and fish totally legit bro
>proof? There is this book written by jews 
>why didn’t god just leave indestructible physical evidence? Bro just trust the plan 
>we are all equal bros, fuck ethnic groups and fuck social classes 

There are two aspects within this moral framework that capture your mind. The promise of eternal bliss/dopamine/release/pleasure and the threat of eternal pain/suffering/torment. Everything else that you christians say is cope used to justify your basic desire for pleasure that you hope to secure. The threat of hell is just the cherry on top, a pure manifestation of hedonism for the most shallow and insecure individual. This is a reflection of the behavioural patterns favoured by evolution for the purpose of fulfilling the primal laws of nature; securing food(continuation), reproduce(propagation) and avoid pain(competition).
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>>114
>>>/pol/19754
Most of this is covered here.

TLDR:
Marxism is a twisted heresy of Christianity, concocted by the jews.

The martyrs, saints, crusaders, ascetics, and missionaries disprove your claim. Though I wouldn't contest you on most evangelicals and protestants.
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>>118
>disprove your claim

Are you afraid of death? Afraid of non-existence? How can you experience non-existence?
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>>124
Not afraid of either. Non existence is self-evidently non existent. Heaven is God's mercy. Hell entirely deserved. What would be horrible is an eternity alone with myself. I am a Christian, not on the accounts of rewards or punishments. But on the account that the world is evidently Good, yet mired in Evil. Whence both? God and the rejection of him.

What would you have take Christianity's place? A religion of the self and indifference? That's how you get India.
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>>129
>Heaven is God's mercy. Hell entirely deserved.
>But on the account that the world is evidently Good, yet mired in Evil. 

Based on what? How can we define good and evil? What underpins these concepts? Without a solid foundation for understanding these principles, any discussion might as well be simplified to the level of a five-year-old child. A waste of time. 

>rejection of him

Reject who? How can you define a fictional character conceived by jews over two thousand years ago? What meaning does this character hold for you, and how is it connected to your life? What is the relationship between this supposed creator and our temporary existence, comparable to that of an ant? Does every single cell within you go to heaven? Which part of you truly represents who you are, and which part is not you? Which thoughts and which memories define your “soul”?  

>What would be horrible is an eternity alone with myself

>What would you have take Christianity's place? A religion of the self and indifference? 

So, you would choose to live the lie? Why don’t you examine the world before you?
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>>134
Good, evil.
>Picrels
The problem with definitions, and mono-focused scientific thinking evident. 

>Fictional
Many things might be said about Christ. He is either the Son of God or a madman. He is not fictional. He means Him. I do not define Him.

I am a becoming towards or away from God. Could you entirely describe yourself? Is the ore a sword or a plowshare?

What lie? Then what is the Truth? It is within God, He is it's definition. How could you deny Him, seeing His creation?
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>>118

I have heard arguments that have said that Chrtianity was and early form of Bolshevism to destroy their enemies the Roman empire and that Communism is just the modern secular version of it. 



Judaea Contra Rome, Rome Contra Judaea by Evropa Soberana Origins of Christianity Chapter 1 of 3



https://www.bitchute.com/video/kL8OnNrs4W3p/
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>>138
>>>/pol/19754
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>>139
>christianity is antisemetic
Your own holy men say otherwise.
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>>82
>More Gnostics like Origen. Not Christians
Cope. No true Scotsman.
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>>144
>>>/pol/19754
And yet, her child was healed and she blessed for her faith.

>>145
If every Scotsman says the Irish and Anglos aren't scotch, then what?
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>>147
There is no way to objectively distinguish "Gnostics" from True Christians™ in early Christianity. That's what early Christianity was—the wild West with no orthodoxy.
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>>151
The Gnostics, and their particular heresies, inc. self-castration have been consistently recognized and anathematized since Marcion. They're still around of course, Freemasons, Theosophists, and Mormons. But just as these are recognizably not Christian, so too them and more so.
>>151
You've got no legs, shall we move to another subject?
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>>139

https://ourchan.org/r/thread/43.html
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>>410
And again:
>>>/pol/19754
Halfway down

Come back with something that isn't copypasta. Or start a thread on it.
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>>410
Rabbi's got a quick hand
He'll look around the globe, he won't tell you his plan
He's got a toddler's phallus, hanging out his mouth (he's a synagogue kid)
Yeah, found a six day old son
In his Dad's tunnel hidden oh on a mattress of soiled things, I don't even know what
But he's coming for you, yeah he's coming for you

All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, out run my ethno-weapon
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, faster than my two million dollar lab
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, out run my ethno-weapon
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, faster than my two million dollar lab

Goyim works a long day
He be coming home late, he's coming home late
And he's bringing jews a surprise
'Cause the final solution's in the fume hood and it's rotated in a centrifuge
I've waited for a long time
Yeah the slight of my hand is now inside a quick pull viscometer
I reason with my micropipette
And say ((( your ))) schizophrenic genes are on fire, ((( you ))) must have lost your wits, yeah

All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, out run my ethno-weapon
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, faster than my two million dollar lab
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, out run my ethno-weapon
All the other yids with the fucked up tricks
You'd better run, better run, faster than my two million dollar lab
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>>412

I denounce the Talmud and the Torah and all abrahamic slop your turn Moshe
>>411
You can't respond to these verses this pasta is right from the Bible fuck it Jesus is Jewish here is the pasta eat it up and cope and Sneed with your Chrtian pipul


>After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem  and asked, “Where is the one who has been born ((( king of the Jews? ))) We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

 Mathew 2:2



 >And when eight days were completed for the circumcision of the Child, His name was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.

Luke 2:21


>When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
>The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.

John 4:7


>Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, “Surely you don’t mean me, Rabbi?” Jesus answered, “You have said so.

Matthew 26:25
>Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him.

Matthew 26:49


>Peter said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

Mark 9:5


>“What do you want me to do for you?” Jesus asked him. The blind man said, “Rabbi, I want to see.”

Mark 10:51


>"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read."

LUKE 4:16



>"Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It read, 'Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.'"

John 19:19


>"Circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee."

Philippians 3:5


>But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 Romans 2:29
>>147
>And yet, her child was healed and she blessed for her faith.
In exchange for accepting her place as a dog compared to jews. I'll stick with my Ancestral Gods, they don't call me a dog and tell me I have to love my enemies.
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>>137
>Picrels

The result of jewish ideology just like christianity. Could even say that it is the secularised form of christian values and universalism.  

The very basis of Christianity is the idea of understanding good and evil and acting accordingly, so that one is judged to go to heaven rather than hell. If one refuses or is unable to define good and evil, then the entire religion/moral framework becomes invalid. Christians and christianity are as such immoral, evil(through ignorance) and are being used as a tool to oppress and genocide the European peoples. 

>He is either the Son of God or a madman. He is not fictional.

What proof do you have for it in the first place? Must I entertain every crazed man on the street speaking of a spaghetti monster who grants immortality? Of the worm that provides passage to another reality? Maybe a rock that speaks to you and only you telepathically with offers of riches beyond your wildest fantasies? How far do we go to entertain your ideas? Till everything that I hold dear is dead because of the choices made by people who when overwhelmed by animal instincts take fantasy as truth?

You cannot accept something as the core of reality without concrete proof. If I claim a rock is divine and has spoken to me over four days, and then proclaim this "truth" in public, I will likely be hospitalized. However, if an empire makes the same claim, intending to manage its population for its own benefit, it is readily accepted. 

Is the ore a sword or a plowshare?

The ore is iron mixed with impurities; the sword, pure, refined, and shaped by a human hand, as is the plowshare. If God is the creator, then what created God? 

>Then what is the Truth? It is within God, He is it's definition. How could you deny Him, seeing His creation?

You attribute divinity to jewish constructs based on the fairy tales of normie farmers/exploiters of labour. Divinity is all around you. You have eyes that do not see, ears that do not hear, and a mind that does not think. Your life is that of a passenger, living in a daze, your mind in a haze. You sit inside the cattle car, ready for slaughter.
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>>489
>The results of Jews, pics
This is the result of Jews subverting Christianity. Not Christianity. Go look up Vatican 2 and Scofield. Jews have always been opposed by the Faith.

>Truth
Truth is true, no matter what our perception of it is. If the mad man turns water into wine, or makes a dead man live than he is certainly a saint, a angel, or God. If a man is so great that history across the world is differentiated by His birth and death, than the balance is to the latter. There is not even concrete proof of reality, yet somehow reality exists. So too, God has never been disproved, yet every thing exists by him. You are a fish in the pond saying that the water is god, ignoring the man that trenched it from the clay, and the hands that made him from clay.
>Ore
Missing the point, which is as the sword is the ore, cleansed by man, so too as I am now, to what I will be.

>What created God
Assuming cause and effect are extant outside of Creation and Time. Major error. Just as comp. or books are more limited than us, so too us to God.

Creation is about me, it shines with the divinity of God, proclaiming Him the Lord. Yet you mistake the creation for the Creator. There is no shame in this.

I worship the God know by the earliest practitioners of Zen, who spoke of the one God above the Heavens, the One Above All of the Indo-Europeans, the great I Am of Noah and the Israelites. The god of the Jews, the edomites, the synagogue of Satan I do not worship. Nor do I worship Creation and it's myriad beings, be they man, nature-spirit, eregore, demon or angel, though I count many, most as brothers.

What do you worship? How did you come to know of it?
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Are you guys f***ing serious on this board, there are 3 posts on /pol/ about the pope being dead and you're in here with zero posts about it and you're talking about cutting your balls off. What the hell? 
how are there more posts on /r/ than /a/ ?
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>>496
This began before the pope and will most likely continue. You want /a/ busy. Bake a bunch of threads.
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>>497
so if you go anti bible you start wearing a dress and cut your balls off, but if you hang with you people then you don't wear a dress and you cut your balls off
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why do people keep wanting to cut their f***ing balls off?
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>>63
I think the most favorable reading of it is that Jesus is saying if you have to accept a dead bedroom to keep your marriage together, you should accept a dead bedroom. You become a metaphorical "eunuch" because you're not getting fucked anymore.

I presume this is why the Pharisees say it'd be better to never marry if these are the conditions.
>>498
Ask Satan. Only gnostics, pagans, jews and satanists do that.
So i didn't read every post here yet, but i'm gonna post this anyways.
The Eunuchs were a cult that worshiped Lucifer. Yes, literal Flesh born Lucifer. The story has many many many variations as it began in the Tower of Babel and as the story goes, they were divided by language and the story became many different stories. Probably the most widely known characters would be Osiris, Isis and Horus. Horus is Lucifer. Osiris is Nimrod. Isis is Semiramis who before becoming the Queen of heaven was a Barmaid. The Catholic religion still holds these figures in literature as Janus(Nimrod), Cybele(Semiramis) and Attis(Lucifer).
So according to the book of Jasher, Nimrod saw Esau while out hunting and pursued him out of jealousy (for later speculation) and ended up getting his head chopped off.
According to Egyptian stories, Osiris's brother Set chops him into pieces.
Semiramis, who is now viewed to her people as the Venus Star, or Morning star, or Eastern Star(Ishtar, Astarte, blah blah blah barmaid) convinced her subjects that she had a magic vagina, and as the mother of Heaven, she could reincarnate her now dead husband with her magic vag, so long as she had all the pieces to reassemble his body, but a fish ate Nimrod's penis, so one was fashioned out of Silica and she used that to impregnate herself with the spirit of Nimrod. 7 months later, baby Lucifer was born.
Now with the Roman Pagan worshiping weirdo's, the story is even weirder. When Lucifer had grown, and inquired who his father was, his mother Semiramis told him She was born a hermaphrodite and she simply chopped of the male bits and from them a plant grew, which she had sex with the bare a son, who was later known as Attis.
Attis (Lucifer) believed he also had this ability and chopped off his own male bits, in hopes a vagina would grow in it's place. It did not. He died. Bleeding out from an open wound.
>LUCIFER WAS THE FIRST MALE TO FEMALE TRANNIE
Some many many years later, a weirdo french dude made some statues and gave the United States one of them, and now we have a Giant statue of Lucifer holding a book and a torch on an Island shaped like a star in New Jersey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attis
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>>23 (OP) 
Kek was jesus the first trans right supporter?
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>>1217
Read post above, lucifer was the first m2f trans and he died from it
>>1206
Sounds similar to the theory that yahwee is a castrated god. 

>The Occult Meaning Behind Newborn Circumcision

https://youtu.be/8rmtZju9OVI
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