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>I think if you buy this Saturn stuff you get too attached to kike framework and their belief systems and those of freemasons (that the kike also manipulate), I think look "farther away" is better way to look at these things
Part of the issue is that these things are much older than the Kabbalist-Freemason kike kabal framework. They grafted in pretty late. Even if you argue alchemy itself had a jewish hand through Mary the Jewess at the earliest date almost two thousand years ago, the underlying esoteric occult / astronomy-astrology framework goes much further back than even that. Observing the architecture, discoveries, and feats of these ancient civilizations, it would be foolish to think they were unwise about other matters we dismiss so easily here and now.
>What's the real framework? How much of this solar system star worship actually matter?
To put it into materialistic and secular terms, I would put it this way: a fanatic will always beat the rational man in warfare, while the rational man with superior technology will always beat the fanatic. A fanatic with superior technology, however, will beat the purely rational man with superior technology. Whether we like it or not, some form of fanaticism and 'extra-worldly' motivation and belief system is required to win in an evolutionary sense. The materialist or the spiritualist may debate whether those extra-worldly beliefs and framework are actually real, but the materialist will quickly find himself having the fate of Piggy in The Lord of the Flies with his skull caved in if he debates whether the products of these beliefs are real despite all his cold logic and reasoning. We clearly evolved or were created for this on a biological level with our programming, and it should be self-evident by now that Enlightenment values do not win out against opponents who disagree, equipped with the same level of technology. The best bet is to find a fanatic belief system which unquestionably keeps you and your people alive (the product of these beliefs), while doing the best we can to determine that the framework itself is 'real' and true. Part of all this study is to secure the latter part, as clearly ancient civilizations which reached great heights opposed to what we'd call kike-freemason values, did so.