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In about ten, twenty years, most western populations will effectively be minority white unless something big happens. The time for something big to happen would be right, about, now.... but outside of internet activism and fledgling immigration skeptic or anti-illegals parties I don't exactly see a tidal wave on the horizon.

So. You can't call it a replacement, because that's wrongspeak or something, so I'll just call it a great change for now. And it's big all right. I see Muslims in Europe, taking Germany and Britain if not France. I see South-east asians and east asians of all kinds taking over Canada. I see America turning into a majority Hispanic nation. I see the old way of life being completely flushed out, washed away down the drain. I see poor economic metrics, poor political metrics, poor technological development metrics, low social trust as of forever, giant talent-sucking communist welfare states that indoctrinate everyone that being a marxist is the new end of history...

Anyways, when the camp of the saints comes to pass across Europe and much of North America, what's it going to be? What's the final orientation of the devil's 8-ball?
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I think that 99% of the population don’t understand the situation. It’s almost as if the heart has stopped beating in a body. The brain is dead but the body is still warm. That’s where we are today. So there are two sides in politics now. The side that has been devouring the corpse and the dependent childlike masses who are born to be slaves, wishing for the corpse to be reanimated and to return to their childhood like experience. All with no pain and no intellectual struggle. We can’t save the West. We can’t hold on to the old because the old is dead. The old religions and the old ideologies are dead. We need a rebirth like a phoenix. To burn the old and rise from the ashes reborn. 
The old world is dead. Hail the new dawn.
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>>58678
I'm in total agreement, the dam has burst and now everything has flooded over. Most of the legacy ideologies and concepts being floated probably will not even survive. But the new world isn't going to be positive for us, so we can't just say to hell with it all quite yet. You either have a homeland or you don't, and if you don't then you are destined to live the diaspora life of fleeing and persecution.

Hispanic America 2055, Muslim Europa 2043. I'm not too excited about the coming world
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>>58701
I don’t know what the future is going to be like 100%. At the end of the day people aren’t going to get out of their bubble or comfort zone unless they have some serious motivation which won’t happen without some sort of crisis like a jihad, total economic collapse or apocalyptic chimpouts year after year. That’s ignoring the most normietarded part of the population. I honestly don’t think that most nationalists or anons posting day to day care or act as much as they should. We might end up like Cuba or Rhodesia with year by year declines until we all reach third world status. The decline just won’t stop by itself and there is a serious lack of both manpower and intellectuals. People aren’t willing to risk losing their junk food, video games, social media and porn. The system brainwashes children with their own ideology through public schooling, media and zog owned companies. Every normie in the workforce comes with the zog os pre-installed, year after year, generation after generation. While you have to struggle to fight against a lifetime of conditioning and false premises. That already has you at a back foot. The system uses money that it extracts from the masses to maintain its pyramid scheme. The media and news isn’t impartial. Normgroids just won’t step out of line because there is literally nothing there for them. It’s not like nationalists will feed and house dissidents. You need to have ideals to be willing to take a risk. You need to have something above you that you look up to, an ideal and something behind you to motivate you to take that risk and plant that tree for the people who come after you. But to do that you need to discriminate, only a fool would sacrifice himself for the savage and braindead masses. We have to our own inner group and our own heritage separate from the crabs in a bucket. You can’t do that without an aristocracy. 

It’s like Bowden once said:

“One of the reasons we have a Left-wing society, a liberal society, is partly because conservatism, that which is supposed to “conserve,” is brain-dead in the West, and is terrified, and is afraid. But one of the reasons it’s afraid is because of this area of secular demonology. Because when you have to think in an illiberal way you will “go over there.” You will have to go “over there.” You will have to touch certain thinkers who actually are in that proximity, and that is demonic, and you have to remain in the Center. ”
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>>58729
I totally get it, we're on a downward trend as a society and we have to wait for internal contradictions in the normie camp to cause a disaster for anything to change. I have very bleak hopes for that, everything will stay the same and everything will get shittier and shittier. Tomorrow's rebels won't even know what the original problems were, almost like characters out of the Time Machine by HG wells. We are destined in most places worldwide to decline,  and the massive step up in centralization from the information age which is solidifying now guarantees that old models of activism and dissidents are basically obsolete. 

If you can't meet anyone using this medium, if you can't speak your mind publicly without risk, if your backend algo is getting weaponized, and if most people walking around are absolutely blind to the problems without the right set of ideological glasses to show them it.... well you might as well be fucked. You can have a slow leak on a passenger ship where the crew is derelict and chooses to jail anyone who points it out, and everyone is going to walk around above ships perfectly fine and happy for quite a long time till it all sinks. That's kind of where we're at now.

The push for change has to come from the state, because it's power now supersedes everyone. Civil society hardly even exists anymore, everyone is ganging up and escalating the powers being used. When the true rationale for life is hard power, aka the gun, you can't argue and you can't change what's happening. That's a big problem in society. There's been a few people warning and warning about how big data will be weaponized to create the new pogroms against various groups, and it's obvious that society has entered that age. It began harmlessly enough, profiling illegals and related topics, but in the end it's going to be used to get rid of conservatives. I can see the writing very strongly now, conservatives are not intelligent enough to realize the stakes and will allow this technology to be used against them whereas the left faction has no morals whatsoever and would enjoy doing it. 

And I agree with the Bowden quote, people who wake up inevitably cannot support the current social arrangement. The problem is that such an understanding invariably drives them insane and makes them useless at the same time.
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I would go so far as to say that normiecon conservatism is a complete grift appealing to surface critiques without answers, and that it only continues life by emulating and addressing the concerns of the more right wing factions while not knowing their language or concepts. The classical liberal ideology of tax cuts and lassiez-faire would not have survived the millennium if it had not been required to because of the two-party system. Now there's a hybrid form and the conservatives are the allowed opposition so they rule, but really by themselves they are quite soulless. It's a very frustrating arrangement, you can't really rule by proxy and get the same results, while society at the same time has effectively banded together to keep engineers from fixing a broken machine.
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>>58733
People get lost in their own day to day lives and their own experiences. Trends that stretch beyond two or three generations just don’t exist for 99.9% of the population. But, why would they? From a natural individual perspective, everything is going great, and it’s highly beneficial for an individual to focus on their own life. It’s just with genetics and averages that, when everyone blends together over many generations and becomes a more homogeneous mass of individuals who can’t piece together a pattern outside of their limited physical contact zone, then the problems start to accumulate. It’s like we have domesticated ourselves, and not in a good way. We are heading in the direction of idiocracy, where selfishness, fear, greed, and ignorance play into what is essentially a mass suicide through a crab like mentality. Yes, there are groups which are parasitic in their function, but their function is only possible because of the accumulated ignorance, fear, shortsightedness, and greed from the individuals that make up the population. The selective pressure for highly aware, brave, noble, and intelligent individuals who are willing to take care of the herd at their own expense doesn’t exist because it is self-defeating. The masses outgrow, push out and dilute these kinds of individuals. So there is no quick fix and no immediate resolution. Because this problem is foundational. You can’t just materialise a 10% chunk of the population that is born with perfect behavioural patterns for modern life, that is adapted to near instant global communications, has perfect morals, extreme intelligence, proactivity, excellent communication skills, and that can piece together truth from a web of lies and confusion. These people can’t just materialise from the ether. Everyone that exists here today exists because of an unbroken chain of actions, births, and deaths. Another part of it is the roof repair metaphor. It’s unpleasant to repair the roof in the rain, and when it’s sunny, there is no need to repair the roof. The only attempt we can make in the short term is a quick fix through the use of hierarchies, frameworks and systems. 

Regarding state fixes and the various monopolies that have come into existence in modern times, I think that organic behaviour is ultimately governed by the laws of nature which are like a train track that guides behaviours, cause and effect and therefore outcomes. Think of a company on a free market. Take a company like Microsoft. They pretty much have a monopoly on operating systems. They can produce bloated versions that are clunkier and slower every generation. There is no one out there to really compete with them and kick them out of the market. If there was then either they would have to focus on improving their product or face declines in sales. The same general idea applies to empires, nations and ethnic groups. You either keep to the basics, the traditions and institutions that work or the moment that you mess up, some competitor invades you and ends your entire bloodline. Generally on a long enough timeline and with enough competition everyone settles on the things that work. So collectives that deviate from the working formula fail and are replaced by collectives that follow it. That was the basis of European development with hundreds of small ethnic collectives all struggling for what is essentially survival. Iron laws of nature keep organisms from deviating from their prime imperative of survival, reproduction and competition. With the current globalist system there is no competition. You have a monopoly. There is no pain, no punishment for failure, collectives do not experience a metaphorical beating for deviating from the civilisational formula so there is no course correction and the ship does not get fixed and the leak continues. We have derailed but haven’t felt the full impact. We are an anomaly in this world. A few brain cells facing the collapse of one of the most dominant superorganisms on the planet. We are outnumbered, we get discriminated against, shouted down from the soap box, banned from elections and at worst killed.

Don’t get me wrong. There are solutions and paths ahead. It’s just they aren’t going to be carried out by lazy and shallow cowards content to rot in their rooms. Because the path out of decline is hard. It’s involves introspection and a scientific analysis of the past, and present situations. An understanding of humanity, of nature and reality. I could even go as far as to say that people don’t even want to hear about real solutions. They want to hear about solutions that don’t involve them leaving the room, ones that don’t involve any effort whatsoever. Methods that are 100% safe. 

These retards imagine that some solo genius will be elected as president and will outsmart the uniparty. Like this one guy will just solve every problem and sacrifice everything for the gullible masses.
Why? What’s in it for them? To get their head blown off while the normie masses consume porn, junk food and drugs like cattle eat feed? Why would the uniparty allow this? Why would the people who live like nobles in a feudalistic system give up? So that they can get executed for treason? So that their families can get hunted down by plebs? Why would jews let go of the most powerful and wealthiest nation on earth? Why would they part with a billion willing slaves? The endless conveyor belt of models and underage sex slaves? Why would they let their easy life and mansions slip away? So that the retarded masses can have it all instead? How are the retarded masses going to take it? If they can’t even grasp the basic nature of reality? The normies can’t even figure out the uniparty psyop, the media psyop, RQ, JQ, NQ, or CQ.

It’s the low iq, traitors and social conformist normies that drag us down. They allow the situation to continue through their shear mass. They are the ones that get in the way of change and improvement. They are the ones that allow for the abuse from the system. It’s like you are born on a farm in a cows body but a human brain. You might understand the situation and the reality of the your position as cattle but you can’t communicate with the cattle in a way that might allow for cooperation and an eventual freedom. These normies are incredibly shallow, have a very poor understanding of the world, function more on social conditioning than on logic and do more for the system than against it. Most powers and systems of power have made a distinction between the inner leadership group and the outer group of masses. They called them plebs, commoners, serfs, sheeple or goyim. Because that is our reality. 

You can try and push for an ethnonationalist party only for the system to release their own kosheright alternative. If they cannot do that, then they will plant their own agents within your ranks. If they cannot do that, then they will drown you in lawsuits. They will bribe, threaten or blackmail your leadership. If they cannot do that, then they will pay their goons to intimidate you, to break into your home, or even to assassinate your key members. Not to mention arrests on false charges. If you try to gain a following on social media, like Patriot Front or Patriotic Alternative, then they will ban you. If you rely on funding through payment processors, then they will restrict your access. Feudalism is a very profitable and comfortable business for the people running it. The e-celeb gatekeepers and talking heads? They take a nice cut. The intelligence agents, government puppets, judiciary system, and police? They all get a warm bed, a warm meal, and a warm hole in exchange for their service. One big mafia funded with your taxes. The cherry on top? Serfdom through the fiat system.

The whole trust the plan, two more weeks, we are winning cliche is used to keep people sedated like some unthinking vegetables ready for harvest. The narrative that the chans are some sort of nexus equatable to intelligence agencies is a massive joke. The idea that retards are influencing and deciding on presidents is cope for cattle. Everything to keep the aware impotent. To drown out the able with the mindless masses. 

Now, I did say that there is a path. With high quality people and enough justification it would be more than possible for ethnic Europeans to reassert themselves. What’s needed is the series of steps from a general conversation online to change on a local, regional and national level. It’s very difficult to imagine such a scenario as it requires the study of history and a deep observation of nature. 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0b0zzfTGW59d

Nick Griffin did a short video discussing the state of affairs before he "cucked out” as some have put it. He talked about how millions of workers and activists had been awake throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s all across Europe. The problem from then to now has been poor turnover along with limited dedication. As a fraction of the youth awakened to the hostile government, a large proportion also succumbed to state and ZOG propaganda. It takes years, potentially a decade, to awaken someone enough to help awaken others properly. Getting them in the right state of mind and motivated for work is another challenge. However, the government has the upper hand with the educational system and the media monopoly. It also has the upper hand in motivation with their control of the monetary system. You end up on a treadmill where you struggle to keep up and maintain a position against the social consensus. As immigration worsens, so does your ratio of awake youth. If thirty years ago you had 10% of the youth awake, today you might have 15% of your native youth, but less than 10% of the total generation, because the overall ratio of natives to foreigners has changed. 
My proposal for this situation is a new moral framework, inspired by approaches similar to the Maccabean revolt, the early Christians, the Bolsheviks in Russia, or the National Socialists in Germany. By presenting a new moral framework along with a vision of utopia and a plethora of benefits, we can create conditions to establish a priesthood that self-propagates. In essence, a system that establishes its own cells, with each priest being a seed to teach those around them and eventually produce new priests. It’s the same concept as that of a leaderless resistance. The moral framework and standardized education streamline the awakening process. While the force that moves and grows this moral framework is individual self-interest.
The very basis of the priesthood, self-interest and the propagation of the moral framework relies on philosophy that encourages individual action, resilience and a mindset that is focused on growth. Human actions are based on observed narratives. If you can’t form and maintain your own narrative of events from your own point of view then it will be your enemy who sets and controls the narrative. Since our physical strength and influence is limited to our localised environment, it is our ideas and our communication that actually sets individuals into motion. The narrative and moral framework are like a race track that fresh drivers can follow. 

At some point someone must have said that fascism is impossible, that communism would never succeed, that Rome would never unite Italy, that christianity wouldn’t leave the Middle East, that judaism wouldn’t win against Greek influenced jews, that Rome would never collapse, that freemasonry wasn’t serious or that jews wouldn’t be able to take over their country. Yet tiny groups of intelligent, capable and unified jews have managed to start various ideologies and religions to great effect. It’s possible. It has always been possible. Just not with the braindead masses bred for farming grains or herding cattle. The inspiration for nationalist should be based on the maccabees and a spiritual reformation. We need to do what they did but for our benefit. We need a vanguard. A priesthood. A moral framework and a system for congregating with people who share our beliefs. Even if a garage must serve as temporary temple or a backyard barbecue as a communal feast. It’s not a joke to believe in something greater than oneself. To have pride in our ancestors, to believe in the survival of our ethnic groups, to have faith for the future of our people and our descendants. It’s not wrong to see the divine in nature or the eternal struggle itself. Zog would have us as atomised individuals living for mindless pleasure under a feudalistic system while a bolshevik like genocide approaches. We have to reject the zog view on life.
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>>58734
Grifters, gatekeepers and the kosheright act as filler. It’s kind of like nationalists are running a lumber mill and have lumberjacks upstream. We cut down the trees, prepare them and send them down the river (get the ideology right, create the arguments, memes and infographics, expose the truth and keep pushing for ethnonationalism). While the filler works on blocking our flow of timber. By catching logs by the river (crazy conspiracy theorists that muddy the waters with nonsense about aliens, qtards, flat earth or demons). They catch so many that the flow is momentarily stopped (puppet leaders promise change before the next election but end up doing nothing positive during their term, thus wasting several years). Until the sheer volume of timber breaks out and another bunch of filler latches onto it again. So forth and so on. At the end of the day, the lumber mill gets nothing done due to a lack of material/support, which is captured by these grifters for their personal gain, and the lumberjacks become demoralised or the whole operation goes bankrupt (demographics is destiny and we don’t have an infinite amount of time).

These crazy people keep yapping on about Armageddon, demons and some antichrist. What is an Antichrist if the first one was a fictional character? It’s like listening to the superstitious nonsense of some primitive people. Wake up and face the future. While it’s not wrong to use metaphors to describe invaders, slavers, genociders and people who literally eat babies from our race as demons to mark them as distinct from our own group. It serves a purpose. But horror movie demons lurking in your closet don’t exist. For the past two thousand years invasions and foreigners from the south, north and east have been a common occurrence for the European peoples. With inhuman violence, enslavement and torture awaiting any tribe or ethnic group unfortunate enough to face a horde of yellow or brown skinned invaders. No, not just the past but even today. For a single slip up, a momentary relaxation or a single moment of weakness is clearly immediately exploited for the purpose of enslavement and extermination. I don’t have to remind anyone that the native birth rate in certain European countries has already dropped below 50%? That the fiat system has been used to mercilessly crush the “goyim”? While from the historical perspective we can understand the usage of a term like demon the modern goytard will try to humanise foreign ethnic groups. Well of course rse the mongols slaughtered millions, of course the ottomans and other North African Muslims raided and took millions of Europeans into slavery who they castrated or made into sex slaves. That just how it was back then, they had their reasons and they stopped now. This is seen in the Celtic folk religion with Fomorians representing sea raiders. While in Greek folklore other races are often described as being borne from monsters such as the scythians. 

“Heracles came thence to the country now called Scythia, where, meeting with wintry and frosty weather, he drew his lion's skin over him and fell asleep, and while he slept his mares, that were grazing yoked to the chariot, were marvellously spirited away.
 When Heracles awoke he searched for them, visiting every part of the country, till at last he came to the land called the Woodland, and there he found in a cave a creature of double form that was half damsel and half serpent; above the buttocks she was a woman, below them a snake.

When he saw her he was astonished, and asked her if she had anywhere seen his mares straying; she said that she had them, and would not restore them to him before he had intercourse with her; which Heracles did, in hope of this reward. But though he was fain to take the horses and depart, she delayed to restore them, that she might have Heracles with her for as long as might be; at last she gave them back, saying to him, 'These mares came, and I kept them safe here for you, and you have paid me for keeping them, for I have three sons by you.”

But she, when the sons born to her were grown men, gave them names, calling one of them Agathyrsus and the next Gelonus and the youngest Scythes; moreover, remembering the charge, she did as she was commanded. Two of her sons, Agathyrsus and Gelonus, not being able to achieve the appointed task, were cast out by their mother and left the country, but Scythes, the youngest, accomplished it and so abode in the land. From Scythes son of Heracles comes the whole line of the kings of Scythia; and it is because of the vessel that the Scythians carry vessels on their girdles to this day. This alone his mother contrived for Scythes. Such is the tale told by the Greek dwellers in Pontus.” -HERODOTUS Book IV: chapters 1‑15

The horse riding people of Thessaly living around mount Pelion had been described as centaurs by the ancient Greeks. 

“Then, that in the profound and secret depths of her own bridal chamber, he [Ixion] assailed [Hera] the wife of Zeus. Well is it for a man to take the measure of each deed by his own stature. Unto the full deep tides of woe loves which transgress the law casts a man down, who sets foot there. For with a Cloud (Nephele) he lay, pursuing sweet falsehood, that man of folly. In semblance like [Hera] the all-high Sovereign daughter of Kronos (Cronus) son of Ouranos (Uranus, Heaven), this phantom came, this guile, proffered him by the hands of Zeus, a beauteous bane. Thus on the four-spoked wheel he gave his limbs to bondage, his own destruction. From whence is no escape, he heard the message that he must spread to all the world. Far were the Kharites (Charites, Graces) when the mother [Nephele] bore--ne'er such a mother, never such a son--her babe of monstrous breed, who had no honour amongst men nor in the laws of Heaven. She reared him up and named him Kentauros (Centaurus), and the Magnesian mares knew his as mate by Pelion's ridges; and that strange race was born [the Centaurs], like to both parents, their mother's form below, above their sire's." -Pindar, Pythian Ode 2

The Romans and Goths had a unique description and understanding of the Huns. 

“But after a short space of time, as Orosius 121 relates, the race of the Huns, fiercer than ferocity itself, flamed forth against the Goths. We learn from old traditions that their origin was as follows: Filimer, king of the Goths, son of Gadaric the Great, who was the fifth in succession to hold the rule of the Getae after their departure from the island of Scandza,—and who, as we have said, entered the land of Scythia with his tribe,—found among his people certain witches, whom he called in his native tongue Haliurunnae. Suspecting these women, he expelled them from the midst of his race and compelled them to wander in solitary exile afar from his army. There the unclean spirits, who beheld them as they wandered 122 through the wilderness, bestowed their embraces upon them and begat this savage race, which dwelt at first in the swamps,—a stunted, foul and puny tribe, scarcely human, and having no language save one which bore slight resemblance to human speech. Such was the descent of the Huns who came to the country of the Goths.” -The Origin and Deeds of the Goths: Jordanes, 6th century. 

To us it’s some guys on horses or in boats raiding peasants. For people back then it meant entire villages being wiped out or enslaved. Cities being burned to the ground. Your family, your relatives and your kin being castrated, sold, raped or murdered. So when I think of the epstein class, the jimmy savile types(I doubt that all of them have been exposed), the dutroux type snuff producers or isis. Then, yes, I think that the term demonic is quite fitting based on historical context. Palantir spying on entire nations and killing tens of thousands of people resisting the globalists with drones and rockets the moment they enter their home to see their family through the use of ai? Demonic. 
Elected politicians and other goy farming parasites who are willing to sell their own people and nations for access to teenage holes and more money? Demonic. Secret organisations using child sacrifice and cannibalism as some sort of initiation ritual? Demonic. Foreign hordes that wish to colonise and replace European ethnic groups? Demonic. It’s so simple. 

Since modern warfare is based on hearts and minds then the capture of certain words and concepts is like the capture of a city. Semantic warfare, linguistic dominance and Ideological Labeling are at this point different military strategies. We must displace the filler. To do that we must capture the words and concepts of god, gods, divinity, good, evil, morality, justice, free will, freedom, hate, happiness, saints, heroes, demons, nobility, sin, to switch the words racist and normie around and to bring back ideas of classes as based on behaviours and action. Semantic warfare is like a siege to capture important points. Before it would have been a fortress or a city on a trade route, today its concepts that underpin moral frameworks. Linguistic dominance is our occupation of these words, concepts and definitions. The system will be forced to speak our language with our meme words on our terms. From the highest office to the burger flipper. While through ideological labelling we can perform surprise attacks and strikes deep in enemy territory. The words normie and demonic will replace racist and bigot. To be a normie will be a sin. To work for the system will be demonic. In this battle of words the passive side is doomed to lose. To be worn down into sand and scattered by the winds of change. 

We must never accept the moral premise of the system nor of the filler. Nor should we waste time defending against their accusations. We must step over what exists and create our own values. This war of minds is fought by members of the priesthood. On one side the parasites, the filler of system puppet do nothings(christianity, atheism or new age cults) and the side of the ethnonationalists. 

Zog bugmen have their own way of cursing and othering their ‘opponents’. They use terms like racist, bigot, sexist, misogynist and antisemite. Therefore these methods of othering people aren’t limited to Christianity or European folk religions. 

Some ‘people’ might say that the filler religions, ideologies, and controlled opposition are ‘harmless’. Well, imagine this: you have a flow somewhere, and you need a flow. For example, your body pumps blood from your lungs to your heart, then to your organs and various muscles. A blockage in your veins would lead to your death. That might be too direct, right? What about a river like the Nile being blocked by a dam or some upstream obstruction? In ancient times, hundreds of thousands might have died due to such a situation. On a smaller scale, you wouldn’t want someone to dump filler into your sewage pipes. So, in a drastic situation where you need drastic actions and essentially a flow of information or ideas, such filler can be far more destructive than a problem with a river.
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>>58783
>>58781
I think we're generally on the same wavelength. That speech for Griffin is profound because it comes from someone who has actually seen the entirety of the lie, seen it for what it is and how it operates, and then logically concludes only the long game metapolitically can produce change. Most people get stuck in the surface presentations of the system, and can't see deeper than a few moves ahead to get a notion of how it works.

Anyways, for me personally whereas I may present many normie approaches or concepts the intention is simply to disrupt without drawing heat. So I think we're in parallel understanding of how to approach these things in some respects.

The  ultimate truth is only a selection regime which rewards national interests can force the ruling class and population from decadence towards virtue. I think you know that as well based on what you've said. Only mass death can save the west from degeneracy, because it is necessary for the unclean elements of society to simply die off wholescale and the rest to be so threatened as to mend their ways. That's why I'm saying only a contradiction from within can really fix things, the drones will never know beyond the immediate why they do what they do. The original liberator for Europe, to begin their ascent to world power, was the black death killing half the population. I can't even fathom what the next disaster will be, but our world is too lax and indolent to ever produce talent beyond mere incidentals. 

A world of nations is good for that, it forces the ruling classes to stop fleecing their populations. Conflict is good for that, it requires competitive fitness and tightens the screws on behavior. The long game as you say, using k selection and a sort of radical social conservatism will eventually produce a more numerous and fitter people. But I'm quite jaded as to the notion of producing units of people who think the same way, it's like looking for needles in haystacks. 

the ratio of dead to killed for the Vietnamese in the Vietnam war was 9 nationals for every one American killed.  Today it is probably even worse, say 20 nationals for every one foreigner. Those are not exchange odds anyone aware of the reality can really condone.  The old modes of resistance and war are practically obsolete, today we have a sort of domestication spiral driven by the power of the state to monitor and control all of society. In such arrangements, it requires the growing node, which is quite vulnerable while youthful, to tend it's bridges and simply focus on growth without undue compromise. A deep ideological root is necessary, but simply throwing volumes of philosophy at society has never worked because of the high maintenance cost. 

Are you familiar with the Muslim Brotherhood? The one and only thing they did wrong was try to lead premature coups and gravitate towards violence. Otherwise, their model has succeeded everywhere it started. All of the middle east has been destroyed by war, tyrant kings, meddling, foreign adventures, infighting, destruction and the rest. But when it heals it will heal as Islam. That's power, it wasn't like that at the start. It may have taken a hundred years, but the old ways of organizing society slowly have won the roots of society. I am very ambivalent about Christianity, or even the highest interpretations of what Whitest nationalism should be, but I can see the parallels rhetorically. Eventually the reaction which we are seeing now may produce deep roots, which society must answer through accommodation. We can simply play for short term wins in the present without undue compromise while cementing these deeper holds, that's the real way forward. I can't tell whether the next century is the end of European rule worldwide, if we are truly destined to be the hated minority many suspect is coming, but at the very least I can hope for better fundamentals among the few that remain.

I don't know, we are in a very tangled space. Internet ideologies don't translate into real fundamentals well. Most of the population here is sexless, negative reproduction rate, landless and low income. Internet use gives people ideas but often burns their social network which is real net worth,  and funnels them into little silos which prevent their further integration with the whole. I think there's a lot of work yet to be done before any of these ideas grow into a flower out of the concrete. Rattle is the best step forward right now, that's my conclusion
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>>58791
one of the persistent fallacies in our circles is that good has to win. That we are going to win, because we want to perceive it that way. But what if we don't? What if we live in a transition where things are simply bad and will never get better? How does that shape your worldview of what should be done? These are perspectives we might have to suffer under, because the next century based on the ethnic trends I have described will be very pessimistic. You can't have a first world power with third world populations, it's impossible
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>>58675 (OP) 
>The Great Change, what's it going to be?

too many people
billions must die
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