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The petition to leave circulating got enough votes to become a real voting issue. The GOC tried to killed it with a rival political campaign that failed, and is now trying the courts and other backhand tools to convince the people they aren't allowed to speak for their own interests. 

Nevertheless, here are some observations:
1.  Most Canadians are dissatisfied with the government, but not the country
2.  Many Canadians irrationally hate the united states and view populism as an existential evil. This is especially pronounced with the older generation, which runs Canada and has been destroying it. This is the key barrier to the sovereignty discussion 
3.  Alberta Separatism may or may not happen, but the mood of the country is not existential. The government did effectively declare war on the covid resisters, and that's about 30% of Canada. But that movement was heavily washed in the colors of patriotism and thus is unlikely to side with separation
4.  The country is probably going to stay on the course it's already in, which is grey dystopia of the globohomo style. Pretty soon it'll be risky to post on the internet at all, large digital controls will be set in place, and the country is going to continuously economically decline as all it's fundamentals are bad. The only reason Canada was ever a first league country at all was because the Americans chose to favor it, for a brief period following ww2. With that over it'll be a peripheral colonial hangover similar to New Zealand all over again. 

So... to conclude, separation is an exciting conversation to redress grievances but I've never once met or heard of a genuine separatist in all of Canada. This may be the start of an entirely new trend in politics however, and Alberta may be able to gain self-government similar to Quebec which would stop the flow of immigrants indefinitely. That's very exciting.


A disclaimer: Canada is very regional, it's the fiction of a country when in reality it bears closer resemblance economically to a series of colonies as it was back in the 1800's. Little central integration exists at all, most people will have spent very little time outside of their home province or district and culturally, politically, economically life is very different between them. Roughly west of Ontario the line of communication between Canada and the rest of it abrupt breaks as a series of thinly populated prairie states take over. Roughly akin to flyovers, except there is not much communication at all between the flyover remnant and the rest of Canada proper. Which has and probably always will be, the nexus of Ontario and Quebec in the middle. All which is to say that one person's opinion outside of Alberta may be dramatically different than someone's in the target zone.
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The current GOC plan seems to be to let the local first nations (microminority) control the fate of the entire province to avoid having the topic put to vote. It's breaking the social compact using pretext, which is exactly how every other draconian policy the liberal party has ever pushed got rolled out

Carney:
>...also highlighted the ongoing court challenge from several First Nations in Alberta who argue the independence referendum violates their treaty rights, adding that due process must be followed before any other steps are taken.
> “Any referendum, in any part of Canada needs to be consistent with that,” Carney said, adding that his government would continue operating with a focus on “making the country work.”

This is the end game of globalism right here, a situation where the cohesion of a country is so catastrophically destroyed no one leader can ever speak for the majority of the population. Where small privileged satraps and eunuchs with special rights get to upend the process on technicalities. Where the government never says what it means, because it doesn't want to give people the impression it means to take away their liberties selectively. Really the endgame of modern Canada in a nutshell, honestly. Rather than rule with majority consent, they use minorities to prop up other minorities in a sort of peanut shell game of divide and rule, special gifts and rights, inside track dealings and all the rest.

It is not at all given that Albertans will win their own right to speak for themselves. But I think the world should watch at all tortured the democratic process in Canada has become. Nobody asked for Carney's deal, they asked for Freedom.
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>>58671 (OP) 
It's annoying that people forgot how to greentext. That and the reddit spacing...
>Most Canadians are dissatisfied with the government, but not the country
No the country is pretty gay too, I like nature but immigrants are fucking it up.
>Many Canadians irrationally hate the united states and view populism as an existential evil. This is especially pronounced with the older generation, which runs Canada and has been destroying it. This is the key barrier to the sovereignty discussion 
Yes boomers are the ultimate shabbos goy.
>Alberta Separatism may or may not happen, but the mood of the country is not existential. The government did effectively declare war on the covid resisters, and that's about 30% of Canada.
It will not happen. Quebec has been trying to seperate for decades and they have their own distinct language and culture. Canada is not a real country, we are a militarized corperation. Good luck forming a real country within a fake country.
>The country is probably going to stay on the course it's already in, which is grey dystopia of the globohomo style. Pretty soon it'll be risky to post on the internet at all, large digital controls will be set in place, and the country is going to continuously economically decline as all it's fundamentals are bad. The only reason Canada was ever a first league country at all was because the Americans chose to favor it, for a brief period following ww2. With that over it'll be a peripheral colonial hangover similar to New Zealand all over again.
I has been risky to post on the internet since 2005 chang. The US is a ZOG so who cares what it favors. Alberta seperatism will not fix the central banking issue.
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>>58679
Everybody is too brainwashed, they'd rather be goyim. No defense mechanism. No studying history, only watching zog approved, news sources.
          99% of Canada is like this. All only thinking, within the current dichotomy. Seeing 15 different people, at a room viewing.
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>>58682
>Everybody is too brainwashed, they'd rather be goyim. No defense mechanism. No studying history, only watching zog approved, news sources.
It is mostly like that but there are some few holdouts. The government is 100% like this or worse and if SNL does not talk about jews running the banks then most people in canada will never think about it. The boomers are the worst for it but younger generations seem to be on the same page, except for women and nonwhites. Our elections are clearly rigged and if White born-and-raised canadians start grouping together and pushing back we get martial law. Oh and our police and military is majority foreign.
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>>58683
Canada has a huge problem with the overproduction of humanities majors and state sponsored activism.

Essentially, the government pays far left activists to protest itself. It also gives their ilk cushy jobs in the public sector, has a special code of laws permitting bias to overhire them under the aegis of diversity, gives them enforcement powers as the hall jannies of discrimination, and basically pays a massive media apparatus of print and social media to blow up their point of view to influence others. This is about 15% at most of the population, by the way, the far left activist class.

Anyways, this monstrosity then filters to the normies who don't know how the sausage is made, and they assume the various leftist cause campaigns run by the nu communist cadres are actually legitimate and broadly accepted. This is all formalized through the schooling process which then double-drills it in to get your academic credential.

But the first aspect of it is that protected activist classes have causes sponsored by the government and are essentially paid using another hand by people associated with the government, to "protest" it and thereby keep society in a far left revolutionary paradigm. This is all being codified from informal persecution methods to formal ones with online hate bills, everything is a hate crime bills, you will live in ze glass house privacy bills etc. All designed to make you unable to speak back to state-sponsored activism and ruin you if you do, while at the same time permitting sanctioned elements all the means to bully and harm you without repercussion. 

Canada is what happens when you have about a decade of extremely evil social engineering behind the scenes while most people are checked out. This was actually explained to me in full detail over ten years ago now, believe it or not. Some saw it coming but nothing changed. It's gay communism. 

Back to the topic at hand, the Canadian Dear Leader is now
>suspending democracy using a diversity minority to keep the disenfranchised from exercising their right to separation. 

All you need to know about who's the bad guy and who's the underdog here. Sanction Canada as a human rights offender already, it already is one but merely working on pretexts just like how the European Union is.
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And of course,"it's the russians"....

Canada is very anxious to try and push away the western alienation debate by trying to blame various foreign actors. I assume it'll proceed exactly the same as before when Carney won an election by claiming Donald Trump was set to Annex the country. These allegations are made so the government can start harassing and disrupting dissident communications digitally, anyways. It's kind of comical how much this country resembles older American political trends
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>>58679
>blaming animals for scatolojeets' terraforming faecalforming
That is the plan:
1. Discredit and persecute all those who expose the faecalites' cultural enrichment.
2. Attribute the toxic offshoots of turd world infusion into human biomes to whatever scapegoat best fits the latest revolting revelation.
3. Normalise sub-continental coprophage's repugnant culture, so that it becomes infused with and, thus, envelops the superior cultures of the indigenous peoples being colon-ised.

After all, this process has an immeasurably greater chance of success -- see analogy: vax cattle lurching around for years in their bovine mug muzzles -- than would trying to integrate turd worlders or trying to "catch them up" on evolution.

>c.2030 headline:
>RAJ OF THE BUTTRAT ADMINISTRATIVE REPUBLIC OF CANADA: "EATING YOUR OWN SCAT WILL SAVE THE PLANET"
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>>58717
Shitters are retarded.
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>>58719
these two are simply trying to shit up the thread by derailing it.
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What the Government of Canada is essentially doing with the Alberta debate is trying to smear domestic politics as foreign or a threat to be given a pretext for intervention. This is the exact same playbook that was used during covid-19, where the army, police and intelligence community was used on normal people posting facebook memes and rallies contrary to the government. 

It's a fact of our times, but also a very sad one given that these supposedly extraordinary circumstances are being used perpetually to keep the helot class of disenfranchised Canadians from being able to speak their mind.  If you post contrary to the Canadian government in 2026, you can expect to eventually be labelled an enemy of the state and treated as such. No proportionality exists, no checks and balances exist, no rule of law or anything. The power is simply to force Canadians who object into unasked-for convergence of agreement with the government, which is the very power abusing them to begin with. 

One of the points of this thread was to show how the Concept of Canada, and other shell corporation nations of this mold, is essentially being manipulated and weaponized by a very fringe group of left radicals who use the weapons of state to prevent opposition from forming. This can be indirectly, with doxing orgs like Can antihate, or directly with the use of police, army, hidden forces etc to force a conclusion preferable to government aims while claiming the outcome was merely incidental. The justification is then, "well this is how we do it because we're canadian and that isn't canadian". But the definition of what is acceptable as a Canadian is now entirely monopolized by a tiny group, who have cultured it to exclusively fit their interests, and then spread their monopolization of the concept to the common folk who are not paying enough attention to realize how the process actually works. It relies on most of the population checking out, being disaffected or too intimidated to speak (how very Canadian) while using capricious arbitrary force to threaten speakers via government activist proxies.

If you ask an average Canadian what they think the definition of a Canadian is, they of course might say something about maple leafs and lumberjacks, being nice or something. But if you ask the Canadian's government and the people who run it, what they think the definition of a Canadian is, it is simply being a social liberal in every sense and accepting all of Trudeau's policies. A real Canadian thus, is someone who is for multiculturalism, is feminist, is for all forms of sexual liberation including transgenderism, is for mass migration, and always loves the government because of how liberal it is. That's the actually definition, of which you run afoul if you deny any one of those premises.

This is not a joke, you can actually find gov training materials which describe these premises and being fundamental to Canadian identity. And moreover, the negation of these characteristics (IE - conservative values, anti-feminist or traditional beliefs, rejection of multiculturalism, rejection of mass migration etc) as a defacto warning sign in and of itself. The Government of Canada actually flags pillars of traditional social conservatism as forms of extremism in their own manuals, which naturally gives them the ability to control the opposition by preventing socially conservative values from passing on. So the culture war is no longer merely politics, it is metapolitics as the liberal-left progressive faction seeks to end the existence of the other using state interventions, which are coded as "human rights" "public health" "public safety" "online safety" and all the rest.

This pattern of behavior is why the government consequentially has such low public trust and faith. Because while they are not actually soviet client states yet, they are on the exact same pathway of abusing ostensibly neutral parts of society and weaponizing them to discriminate while lying about their intentions. Covid itself was a masterclass in how the globalist class behaves in power once it has the right pretext, and of course they went wild and had every intention of instituting a permanent authoritarian system if the chance availed.

Anyways. Albertan soverignty is non-negotiable. The people get to decide peacefully, not the Liberal Party or it's apprachik class.
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The globohomo WEF elite is circling their wagons big time around Canada right now, sending over the shadow prez to try and signal they're not yesterday's lunch. Of course Obama is at the moment, but Canadians don't know that
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All right, I figured it out. Why they are claiming Canada is under the grips of "Russian" influence. It's because Canadians don't want to name the United States and get their entire economic and security package which the Americans support yanked from them. So they can't admit that Americans have a policy interest in seeing a cordial diplomatic relationship with Canada, and that the culture wars spat has turned into a latent political conflict.

If Carney had any brains to him, he'd simply get rid of the factors causing Canadians to look towards the states as their benefactor. The immigration question, the housing crunch, the speech controls, the wokeshit everywhere, the politicization of all life, the social engineering of everyday interactions. I get that the LPC has won the mandate among older generations, it's just that it's doing a goddamned terrible job at governing the country. Trudeau's legacy has to be unmade, that's the bottom line. And it'll happen either from within with people like Carney, or from without as people turn further and further away from the country. I get Canada, I have a very good read on it- they're not generally speaking against Liberal rule, it's just that Trudeau went too far. And the malaise is going to continue and intensify as long as Canada continues the multicultural displacement program.

Multiculturalism? Okay, people can live with that. You respect your neighbors, it's just common sense. Displacement migration and a housing crunch? Carney, Canada is on the pathway to see the exact same set of problems Britain is now facing terminally. Britain is FOREVER going to have intractable racial conflict coded subliminally as political clefts in the same way the left and right in America are racial conflicts coded as political differences. Canada still has better metrics than America on this topic however, it has a chance to course correct and simply stop the devaluation of Canadian identity and turn around. This is the moment to upend the Trudeau axis and simply go back to how it was, before politics became about idpol. The answer isn't pretending it doesn't exist, because structural factors make it exist. The answer isn't forcing integration at the point of a knife, because we've seen how that totally failed in the states despite efforts lasting multiple decades.

The answer is to respect your minorities while reversing course and saying Canada is no longer a nation of immigrants, it's no longer the diversity capital of the world. It's Canada, and being a Canadian is something rooted in 150 years of shared heritage dating back to the creation of the country. We added the other groups, they're here to stay, but they don't override the existing operating system simply because of inclusiveness. That would actually save Canada and put us on track to be one of the few countries which actually survives the coming dark ages of race politics. Anyone with eyes at the trendlines knows the fears are correct, and everything is going to get worse until someone says this and pursues the same policy program. Which is, one way or another, about reversing the multicultural demographic trends and bringing the country back to the world it was.

It does not have to be partisan. Most people can sit on a liberal Stephen Harper consensus if it doesn't existentially threaten their stakehold in the country. Trudeau was an unqualified loon was was asleep at the wheel and made wild policy pronouncements while towed around by the Davos clique. Guess what? The Davos set has lost, they've lost the mandate and Obama style politics turned into Black lives Matter and Dark Biden. That's the reality of the world they made, and it's turned to shit across the world. Canada does not have to be the United States, Canada does not have to become enamored with the cult of equality for their ethnic minorities to the point where electing a minority leader and then having him cater to them becomes the highest good for the society. Canada can simply keep what is popular, cut it's losses, and follow the headwinds of Japan and declare itself a nation instead of an economic project. That would actually fix the problem once and for all.

In the meantime, blame Russia. I don't know, they're still winning In Ukraine despite the weight of the entire "free" world bombing their soldiers with the Ukranian people as pawns?
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>>58803

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdFhpwFV1
https://youtu.be/DEly-bm5eU0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj4LZB5oarA

the reason why Canada did so well up until peak multiculturalism, despite having a left/right divide, was that they were fundamentally from the same social background. They had the same basic life experiences and all viewed government and society through basically the same lens. They had a civilization as a country, it was called Canada. It dated back to the creation of British North America and the founding of Quebec. Old Canada was all about respecting identity and much of the project was about creating a national culture. It's why the two solitudes existed, because Canada had a crack of nationalities right down the center ever since it was born and that colored how society dealt with distinct ethnies. 

If Canada had behaved like the globalist transnationalists had wanted in the 1800's, Quebec would have left a long time ago. It would have been alienated and marginalized. Instead Canada simply respected Quebec's desire to preserve it's cultural uniqueness and life went on. All of these problems, which were manageable in smaller doses earlier along the multicultural pathway, have become more serious now that the conversation has changed from catering to various newcomers to threatening and displacing the ethnic majority of the country.

Even if the populist axis of today cracks up, the coalition and concepts supporting open borders globalism can't work. It doesn't respect the rights of citizens to declare themselves a country. It does not respect the idea of people having ownership rights to what they think a nation is. It simply thinks that people are economic units, without any social factor involved, and that they will not object or even think twice about what happens to the world outside of their job. 

Of course that's crazy, if you took all of Africa and moved it into all of Japan and mixed the two together, there would still be a Japanese culture and an African culture. They would not integrate generally, they'd be distinct. If you told them to vote as a single polity, they'd have different interests and different needs. You can't have one economic currency used for all of the world as if it was one country, each nation has it's own currency and the few who peg completely to the dollar are always at the mercy of fate. Ultimately each currency reflects the unique will of those polities.

India Failed, Multiculturalism has and will Failed. It really doesn't matter what policy is pursued or how nicely or harshy you pronounce the line, as long as you are bifurcating the population and increasing more break lines you will have a more unstable body. A country that can't declare war, that can't unite in a state of emergency, which can't have a share vision of what it is... isn't a country. The United States as it stands today is hardly a country, because it can hardly do any of those things, and the break lines are all racial. That is the worst possible ending. Everybody loses, even if everyone gets along superficially.

In conclusion, the multinational mode has to stop. You can respect other peoples, respect your neighbors, allow your country to honor various minorities and treat them well. But you can't sell out your family farm on a 50% ownership lease to another country, and expect your country to last at all or even be functional. Everybody would just leave.
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I know not what the future bodes for True Canadians and Alberta, but I know we must seek to Live Free
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>>58805
these guys are not going to be able to separate peacefully. They have Native's stopping process. Those guys have to be killed off.
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>>58806
no they don't you instigator fed shit for brain clown. The government needs to begin recognizing Canadian liberty and the right of the majority to seek representation. This project could be a long one, but the further it is ignored using system attacks the more potent it will become. The government is very shortsighted to try and stifle the Alberta debate

Canadians don't believe in Violence. They also don't believe in CSIS and the RCMP trying to prevent people from speaking their mind using incitement tactics. Should we do the FOIA request that reveals that this has actually been happening across the country?

>Canadians must Live Free,
>Alberta for You and Me
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>>58671 (OP) 
probably won't happen while boomers are alive
>>58808
yes the government needs to recongize these rights, but they're likely not going to. most people in Canada are too ideologically driven to want people with opposing views to have rights, the pandemic proved this. the rest are cowards like me who would much rather leave society altogether than engage in the sort of violence that is likely necessary to secure these rights. violence is however inevitable, because authoritarian ideologues are simply too dangerous to reason with. they are beyond logic. the choices are to avoid engaging until the system collapses, or direct action.
>>58808
Canadians were so disarmed by not believing in violence. I cannot stand being around Canadians. I am from there but they are retarded.
            >>58809
yes direct action is the only way. I wonder when a majority of the Canadian population will realize Hitler was right
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>>58809
Canadians get the right to choose. I think that includes the possibility of merger with the United States. Anyone opposed to this, of course, is a fed
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I have to honestly ask the authorities, based on all the interdiction from Canadian authorities I am getting merely for supporting a lawful, legally guaranteed road to self determination.

Do you want to be sanctioned as a human rights offending country? Because this is the road Canada is taking. I really do wonder what is going through their heads when they begin trying to threaten, obstruct, and otherwise harass people who are essentially everyday citizens protected by the social compact and charter of rights and freedoms. Canada is not the top dog in North America, it's a sideshow. I don't control what the Americans get to think of what's happening, but I look to them for protection from a state which increasingly resembles a dictatorship. That's my observation; the government of Canada needs to fuck off
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>>58809
>violence is however inevitable, because authoritarian ideologues are simply too dangerous to reason with.
There is already tremendous infighting among non-white and immigrant populations in canada. Groups with opposing interests, from native indians, immigrant indians, etc are at each other's throats constantly. Survival of the fittest battles over resource acquisition is inevitable. 
>>58811
>Canadians were so disarmed by not believing in violence. I cannot stand being around Canadians. I am from there but they are retarded.
This is unfortunately very true. Obviously more rural populations in canada are normal but the cities are pure lefty fag safespaces, and are expanding.
>>58813
>Canadians get the right to choose. I think that includes the possibility of merger with the United States. Anyone opposed to this, of course, is a fed
Trump will have no choice but to nuke brampton. It will be like the sinking titanic accepting a boatload of african immigrants on a raft.
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>>58813
I hear what you're saying and it would be nice if that were actually the case, but representative democracy is an sham. We do not need to join with the Americans, we just need guns and the right to bear them. You can accomplish this without joining zog. I don't want american niggers in my country. I see enough Haitians and sub-Saharan foreign students in Calgary, in this country of 11th place participaction faggots. I'm not a fed, just a lazy armchair philosopher.
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>>58817
>obviously more rural populations are normal
Whitehorse has a mosque, Sikh gangsters and paki cab drivers. I've seen jeets in Nunavut. If the natives have started a race war with the pakijeets I haven't seen proofs yet.
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>>58809
Canada is in a situation where their independence could be guaranteed by the United States. However, neither is to admit to that publicly to prevent accusations of collusion. But I assume by now the Canadian government realizes how existential the whole thing is.

>>58817
Canada is keeping a lid on what people are allowed to say and think in public, which has prevented the notion of group conflict from being widely known. But there is considerable underground evidence that tensions have been rising.

The Americans would be idiots to take the multicultural hubs. They destroyed Canada proper and cannot be brought into any political project. Brampton gets self determination in my opinion

>>58819
It's not about any of those talking points, it's about how poorly Alberta was mistreated by the progressive stack while in power after Stephen Harper left.  Canada probably won't separate, but I like the conversation because it forces the government to play nice with it's own populations. What would happen at most is a quasi-autonomous state within the Canadian union similar to Quebec, unless America truly wants to test it's luck and sponsor a fully independent government to reincorporate into the American orbit.
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Carney, If you don't want this to happen, you just have to stop the displacement and start treating your populations like stakeholders to respect instead of burdens to suppress. Anyone with eyes can see what drives the separation sentiment. Trudeau's governing style was toxic and created the unworkable legacy the liberals are now trying to manage
>>58821
>. If the natives have started a race war with the pakijeets I haven't seen proofs yet.
I hope my brothers start becoming Nationalists. A lot are just not spritual, and do not see the writing on the wall.
    The Natives who side with the Canadian government, or mentioned that they are.
>are essentially jewish
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>>58821
>If the natives have started a race war with the pakijeets I haven't seen proofs yet.
Historically natives tend to be at war with everyone simultaneously it seems. When master race europeans showed up the natives had no centralized government, no great buildings or cities besides teepees, and tribes geographically close to each other were at war amongst themselves going back centuries. 
The stiny indian vs drunk indian wars are coming.
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>>58839
Stinky* indian vs drunk indian wars
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/inflation/canadians-are-feeling-the-economy-collapse-in-real-time/

This can be the leafgen for now. The States has a standing offer to represent any and all disenfranchised populations in Canada in their quest for dignity and freedom. What does Canada have? Is the LPC going to take the unacceptable fringe seriously now?
https://x.com/riseofalberta/status/2054662867732086870?

>Justice Shaina Leonard, a Trudeau-appointed judge originally from New Brunswick, just ruled that only Quebec can have referendums on independence, not Alberta.

I told you guys this is how "Canada" worked. This and the headline telling me the human rights tribunal refused to recognize conservatism as a valid ideology for a discrimination case convinced me the country is finished. Any and all political change has to come from without and disregard Canada's parasitic public sector. Due process has failed, 51st at once
https://archive.ph/2026.05.13-101228/https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-b-c-human-rights-tribunal-rules-conservatism-not-a-real-political-view

>While B.C.’s human rights code notionally protects people on the basis of political belief, this didn’t help a Simon Fraser University political science professor who was denied a job over his lack of support for DEI. Indeed, the tribunal decided in April not to give the matter a hearing.

Regarding conservatism:
>"It is not apparent to me that the various ideas within this worldview, taken separately or together, relate to a core belief about systems of social co-operation through governance, or issues that engage the form or functions of government. For example, it is not apparent to me how Dr. Gordon’s views about systemic racism (or a lack thereof) at SFU relate to politics, laws, or other government action.”

Americans, nobody but the 15% who benefit from Canada will oppose you annexing and cleaning house on the leadership in this country. It's all bombast while few people are a part of Canada at all. If the leaders are targetted the rest of the country won't care
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/535065344/why-are-we-even-entertaining-these-retards

Everybody on canpol agrees the country is in free fall and all but over
Well looks like the natives crippled the independence referendum....

This is great for the independence movement. The worse it gets, the likely it gets, up to and including war me thinks.
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>>58886
Wouldn't they want it? Whenever I talk to the sober ones they seethe about the Indian Act, and surely there are enough boomers, White women and jilted asian women to keep the White guilt factory going for a few more decades. Is it all about muh bennies and being able to seize what little forest land exists in Alberta so they can clearcut all of it?
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>>58887
>>58883
Oh shid wrong person. I thought they'd be all for getting the american-style gun rights that Alberta seems like it's starting to lean towards.
>>58887
"Native rights" is a shell game where the gov bribes bands with huge entitlement sums and benefits to feign loyalty to Canada. No doubt the band in question stands to be paid multi millions in land or payouts for letting the gov destroy Canadian independence on a pretext. We should declare parliament Hill stolen land and give all of Ottawa away if this is how they want to play
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>>58890
>We should declare parliament Hill stolen land and give all of Ottawa away if this is how they want to play
I'd cough up 0.05 xmr to watch a livestream of that tbh fam
>>58886
Reminder: do not litter if your name and employment information is written on the litter. Bad opsec.
Shills hate this thread evidently. The premier of Alberta has signalled she is going to hold a vote anyways. America should ratify the results as valid if a majority is reached and Provide nation building supports to head off the Canadian invasion. The central Beavers won't do shit at that point
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>>58924
>The premier of Alberta has signalled she is going to hold a vote anyways. 
>she
There's your problem nigger
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>>58925
The more we make you subvert due process and fair play to rig the outcomes for unelected communists, the more we win. Smith is fine, I hope she becomes the leader of the Albertan free state
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>>58926
women shouldn't hold any sort of political office, their role is as mothers. politics is a surrogate activity that distracts women from nuturing a family, and Merkel alone should have been sufficient proof to never allow women into politics. If not her then just look at what female politicians have done to society - everything is so fake, gay and feminized and it's because that's all because women don't have the right mindset to rule societies.
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>>58934
Is this that rules for radicals thing about making people live up to their memes even if it werecks their movement
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/article/legal-political-battles-escalating-around-alberta-separation-petition-as-pipeline-timeline-enters-debate/

Canada has so much legacy baggage and stupid arbiters who shouldn't be involved in it's governing process. The Indigenous are a great such example, as they nominally should not have the right to anything since this whole discussion was supposedly settled about a 100 years ago. If these ad hoc bullshit rules had existed prior, there wouldn't even be a Canada.

It really gets to the problem killing the country, however, which is all these middlemen arbiters who contribute nothing to the political process but are still given clout to take from it as parasites. Professional activists who do nothing but demand money, aggrieved minorities who get paid to say they're victims of discrimination, stupid gov agencies who of course want to grow ever larger etc. It's part of Trudeau's legacy that he installed these unelected scabs in the political process, through the Trojan horse of the charter of rights and freedoms generally. Conservatives can't get justice through human rights tribunal cases, even against racial discrimination for employment which is totally blatant. But activist parasites who represent a tiny fraction of the country Can, and then use these bullshit laws to push for authoritarian social change which enriches them and censors the opposition.

My opinion, honestly, is that it has to be burnt down. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms should be torn up, the diversity minder class should be purged, and the Canadian gov has to shrink dramatically so less people are involved in the unproductive public sector counting diversity beans. That's the only long term way to get a country which isn't chronically mismanaged by leftist activist microminorities.

If you step away from the Ottawa bubble that runs the political economy, there's a very mismanaged country with not much going on outside of that circuit beyond the political weapon of immigration as an economic driver. The entire country is premised economically on the housing market, which is completely unproductive, and specifically tailored to bring in foreigners who replace the native population and destroy their way of life. For True Canadians to win, Canada has to fail. 

just my thoughts. Alberta Freedom is a great step
Many people don't know this, but the origin story of Canada is very unnatural as well. Most province colonies did not want to join Ontario and Quebec. They had little cultural or economic ties because the British never gave much integrating the country, and most colonies looked to the United States as a better regional partners to join. The North-South axis has always been stronger than the East-West one. throughout all of Canadian history.

Ontario dealt with his through bribes. John A Macdonald spent large sums of money bribing various regional leaders, promising infrastructure Canada didn't have, and trying to appeal to a shared sense of patriotism and the like. But really, in most cases the actual formative pressure for Canada to exist was a combination of British pressure to dump their colonies and bribes
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America strikes back
Tyrant Kings in shambles

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5883148-canada-defense-cooperation-trump-carney-tensions/

>The Pentagon’s policy chief announced Monday that the United States will suspend its involvement in a joint body that coordinates military consultation with Canada, pointing to Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney’s address to the World Economic Forum earlier this year. 

>The move comes amid simmering tensions between President Trump and Carney, who is leading a push for the world’s “middle powers” to present a united bulwark to the influence of superpowers U.S. and China. 

>“A strong Canada that prioritizes hard power over rhetoric benefits us all. Unfortunately, Canada has failed to make credible progress on its defense commitments. DoW is pausing the Permanent Joint Board on Defense to reassess how this forum benefits shared North American defense,” Elbridge Colby, under secretary of Defense for policy, said in a post on the social platform X, using an alternate acronym for the Department of Defense. 

>We can no longer avoid the gaps between rhetoric and reality. Real powers must sustain our rhetoric with shared defense and security responsibilities,” Colby added, along with a link to Carney’s January address in Davos.

The Canadian gov has been getting a free ride and a booster seat ever since the end of the second world war, and now wants that to continue while they oppress their own population and replace them with migrants. That's all about to reverse now, economic collapse as the housing bubble implodes and the currency superheats next
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>>58935
no it's pattern recognition
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Alberta will be having its independence referendum anyways. This is a big watermark, I'm guessing the liberty vote stands at 40% and could climb. Obviously it's a pathway to US incorporation of the process continues to a logical conclusion, although that has yet to be determined
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>>58986
>Breaking news 
>a woman said something
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she's the premier. That's equivalent to a governor. If she runs the vote and it gets a solid majority, the government will be utterly shamed for preventing the authentic one from happening. Most people are looking to the states to guarantee fair play at this point. If you look at the headlines for this country, it's basically on the road to hell so any amount of competitive play politically is a positive. One party Carney would have simply doubled down on Trudeau's destruction of Canada if he had a free hand, instead he has to compete with the Americans. 

Also your mask is peeling off again you useless leaf fed. Voting is essential to democracy
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>YoU sImPlY cAnNoT sEpArAtE

Carney bringing out the big time fakirs to swindle Canadians
>>58949
>Canadian gov has been getting a free ride since end of WWII.

Since about the 1960s, but your point is made.
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>>59039
Right, the growth of Canada was a function of American investment. We act so superior for having healthcare while letting Derr burger shoulder defense costs just like the EU does. We have this big historical narrative about being nice and peacemakers but have hardly done a thing since the second world war of any note. It's a bogus country, and moreover one now in steep decline and seeking to oppress it's population.

American incorporation is more unlikely, but the conversation exposes what a good deal we'd have versus Canada. Trump's got a deal, we should stop waffling over stupid wedge issues and bring money and liberty back to Canada. I want my gun and I want guaranteed freedom of speech under a truly protected constitution. It's such a no brainer
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>>59043
>We have this big historical narrative about being nice and peacemakers but have hardly done a thing since the second world war of any note
Uhm acktually we got turbo niggered up in rwanda.
I find it very funny that the gov complains about foreign interference all day long while offering a completely uncompetitive product. Nobody is interested in the curated Canada Inc national identity bullshit where we are just a branch plant of India. The American media ecosystem is more reflective of conservative Canadian interests than the entire astroturfed, state sponsored national one. Only inertia keeps people supporting the failed Canadian state project, we cannot turn the ship around because it is designed to make liberal thinking mandatory and conservative thought illegal. This should be quite obvious when the farcical legal system is observed and two sets of laws exist. One which boosts any left complaint to the top of the line by activist corrupt judges, the other which makes even legal change to the right impossible because of the charter. The same charter which is constantly waived selectively anyways. American intervention can tip the scales
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>>59068
>Only inertia keeps people supporting the failed Canadian state project, we cannot turn the ship around because it is designed to make liberal thinking mandatory and conservative thought illegal. 
This is correct, however the liberal mismanagement of a number of crucial sectors in society have woken up more people than nazi propaganda could ever dream of acheiving. The flooding of jeets into the country was the breaking point which severed all anti-racist messageing from the media.
>This should be quite obvious when the farcical legal system is observed and two sets of laws exist. One which boosts any left complaint to the top of the line by activist corrupt judges, the other which makes even legal change to the right impossible because of the charter. 
This is one of the basic mechanisms of communism, we are a communist country and it will only get worse.
>>59068
Story from Canadian History that confirms your point:

>Alberta & Sask become provinces in 1905
>Prime Minister Laurier quoted as saying at this time that they were created solely to be customers for eastern goods
>The purchase of farm equipment from USA by western provinces was immediately outlawed
>AB and Sask forced to buy farm equipment from Eastern Canada which is a considerable distance to ship
>Ontario & Quebec make bank from buying USA equipment, marking it up and reselling to west

We have gotten fucked from day1
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>>59070
There's a lot of inconsistencies in the national mythos once you start looking. Most of the colonies were up for American incorporation to start and swung to John A because of bribes. The founder of BC entry into confederation, amor de cosmos, later campaigned to leave. Almost every single province has tried to leave the Confederation throughout history, most famously the red river rebellion as well as the case of Quebec. The Atlantic provinces were simply carted off by Britain to Canada and expected to sign on.  Pressure for free trade with the states has been constant...

The roots girding Canada are much shallower than presented normally. The shift to the left institutionally paired with replacement migration clearly exposes a chasm between city and county, between hinterland and center. This is quite obvious and it's about time Canada started getting competitive rather than trying to sell a retrenched version of Trudeau's brand

I welcome American bids to buy Canada. It's no different than how Canada was born. We should give them a serious shot as well so change can actually happen in this backwater country
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>If a public figure with a somewhat decent amount of prominence who could be expected to receive/deserve a bit of airtime on the mainstream media dares to insult certain sacred cows, the establishment will UTTERLY DESTROY them using system attacks. Hit a raw nerve and suddenly get assaulted from all directions, random accusations, thought-terminating epithets, nothing like debate. Pushing the individual to an hero if possible, bankrupting them if necessary, destroying their friendships and ability to seek employment in their field always.

>Can't organize to advocate for serious change in leaf politics and society without a sanctioned leader, ya know. This is the gatekeeper strategy and there are many players on the team to see it implemented

End the Fed
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I always give a little chuckle, a little kek, when someone tells me there's a endogenous political solution possible in the wings within Canada. As if it's a democracy at all. Sweety, the government locked the entire country up over a fictitious cold and jailed everyone who spoke out, and when that didn't work they sent in the army to beat the vigil with steel clubs. You really think this is about the epic democracy in Canada now when the immigrants were poured in just to steal your vote and make you a minority they can abuse? You really think you can just vote and the criminal government isn't going to come round trying to jail you on a pretext like before?
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