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The US may not be able to achieve their (very vague) objectives in Iran. It looks like their hope was that a decapitation strike + regime change would be a success.

This thread is to discuss the "Fortress America" strategy/contingency.
>the World is no longer uni-polar, but multi-polar: American influence/power has waned and was projected to wane further relative to China (rising rapidly).

Fortress America Scenario:
>the US cannot "win" the war against Iran nor guarantee Gulf oil will flow.
>the US has been working towards Energy Independence (now a net exporter) for several years.
>the US "retreats", but declares a decisive "military victory" over Iran while leaving the ME in shambles.
>oil (outside the US) becomes scarce and countries like India (only two-weeks reserves) are forced to "offensively" secure supply.
>this sets off a chain-reaction of war between all oil-desperate nations (almost all of them outside of America and Russia).
>meanwhile, the US bunkers down and tries to manage and configure the Americas as it sees fit.
>after other nations all deplete each other, the US re-arises as the duo-polar power (similar to Cold War).

Yes, the US will still hurt. But, they're in a far better position than almost everyone else (American Oil + Dominance of Continent) and it is a strategy that may position them as one of two remaining super-powers (Russia being the other one - while China will likely fracture or become dependent upon Russia for energy).

This might the US's "flip-the-table" move after other measures to contain China have failed.
the people who write policy papers don't actually run the gov. Trump might get an aide to summarize a 100 page paper for him to hear over a mcburger and fries in the evening for a few minutes before talking with DC movers and shakers a little bit. That's actually how they run the government. 

The only way to make sense of Iran is as a wish list gift to Israel. There is no  upside ever unless they planned on occupying it, which is just not feasible these days. That destabilized Iran is in position to leak nuclear fissile material all across the region and suddenly material for a dirty bomb becomes a huge issue. In addition to becoming another insurgent mecca in a vacuum just how ISIS went.

I cannot see a pivot. I cannot see an off ramp. I cannot see a sell. I see a skeleton we'll have to bury in the closet and never talk about, except when it's touted as a win or something to the very small circle of people who cared. If you destabilize the middle east it will only likely to get worse. That was clearly the lesson of the arab spring
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>>56986
There appears to be no strategy or thought behind it. Whether it's Jews dragging America into Iran or Trump willingly going in makes no difference. 

The only alternative is that Trump (with his inner circle) and the Iranians are staging this whole thing due to sharing common enemies. And all the blowback to do with oil and shipping are deliberate tactics.

And Bibi has been awfully quiet throughout this whole event so far.
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>>56988
This did not happen by accident. Talk I heard is that Netty-Donald planned this one months back. They probably shifted it so Israel takes the blowback to start the hostilities, although one line also has it that Israel simply started everything and dragged America in.

I do think it's a convergence of ideologies. People of Trump's gen have been talking about Iran forever and they really want to knock it out. Israel of course obviously benefits. The moment Iran started playing a big role as a backer in the gaza war with the houthis, Hezbollah, drones to Russia, arms etc was obviously a turning point where it could have become a regional power. And obviously the Americans want the region to be part of their extended backyard so there was going to be a great game going on there. 

But there is no sell and few want to deploy for this. I do not believe we can win strategically although perhaps the objective is a tactical win in disruption and then leave it. That's not really a sustainable long term strategy, and the real issue is that Iran is just going to come back and be even more bellicose. There was a play for a middle eastern pivot under trump to move away from Israel first to some kind of gulf-saudi thing, I don't see it weathering very well at the moment.

pic related. You play Israel and it only ends when you defeat every single nation in the middle east to attain regional supremacy, lel.
Look, the sell is that it's part of the new emerging multipolar bloc wars for regional supremacy and America wants to preempt the emergence of Iran as a power-broker just like how they were trying to use Maiden Ukraine as a tool against Russia. But nobody has made the case, nobody has made the sell. So instead it's just an illogical war for Israel in popular imagination and that's where it's likely to stay short of real changes. Brush and colonial wars were a successful strategy when the costs and manpower footprint were low because of the technological edge. Guerrilla tech counter that and make occupations costly and demoralizing.
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>>56992
Or this is all a stage play and trump is a Hitler 2.0 figure to be liberated by Eastern powers as a kick off for Eastern world hegemony and the destruction of the United States.
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>>57001
>Or this is all a stage play
Are/were Ali Hosseini Khamenei and other Iranian leadership who have since been RIP'd also part of this stage play?
If there are Secret Chiefs running the planet, they're probably keeping their subordinates in the dark.
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It's possible that underground aliens are involved, and that those aliens are the origin for mystery school religions found if mesopotamia/egypt , and jews and their mason puppets are likely just following the orders of these aliens
>>56992
Bosanac, znadeš li ti naški/srpski da pričaš? Tako si i prošli put bio pa uteko, ni da se pozdraviš sa zemljacima, jeba ga ti!
>>57006
>Khomenei is dead
See, you buy it just like that.
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Unconditional surrender
for the state of Israel
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>>56934 (OP) 
>Buttrat has only 14 days of oil reserves
>with that, it will use its military to "secure" more
Those two elements of the equation do not reconcile... Ask WWII era Germany and Japan.  Moreover, the bipedal coprophage is the least reliant "big player" in geopolitical history -- it will bed down with anyone, at any time; with the only constancy it demonstrates is the dissemination of its manure smeared masses throughout the globe.
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>>57039
>Buttrat has only 14 days of oil reserves
I may've been incorrect here anyway: The Benchod Government's reserves are 14 days, but apparently there's a lot held by private firms within India.
Regardless, what I'm getting at here is the shipping routes: If any oil flows out of the Strait towards Asia, it must pass Benchod which means there his high risk of it getting good morning'd if the Benchods find themselves getting desperate.
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>>57055
India is strongly aligned with the U.S. more so than China. They now have a giant Diaspora in western countries that China does not have.
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>>56934 (OP) 
funerals in tehran
>kek
>>57073
What is your argument exactly?
I'd anticipate that India tries to get cosy with Russia. Russian oil appears to be their current gambit against the oil crisis and, if the US attempts to impede that, I'd expect the India/US-alignment is RIP in peace.
>They now have a giant Diaspora in western countries
Keep in mind that the PR campaign against that diaspora has been going heavy for some time now.
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>>56934 (OP) 
Reasons for the war
>White House statement to justify the war on Iran is a simple copy paste of an article written by Tzvi Kahn a formed AIPAC employee and published by the think tank FDD
>The think tank's original identity was "EMET (Hebrew for 'truth')"

Here's a closer look: https://xcancel.com/ClimateAudit/status/2034684565067849998#m
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>>57262
Emet was based on One Piece, so maybe this war is also justified?
>>57262
I truly hope this war kills the Israel Lobby. Just wipes it all out. Takes their cred and throws it in a dumpster. Gets all their shills declared enemy agents. Forces the biggest simps to flee to their home base in Israel and stay there. The days of powerful foreign ethnic lobbies controlling the once proud superpower have to end. If you're a Zionist, get the hell out
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>>56934 (OP) 
Attached is a simple three dimensional model to give indication of structural vulnerabilities in the listed countries.
This assumes worst-case Gulf outcome:
>Either Iran is forced to go scorched earth
>Or the US cannot take control of the strait and sabotages the Gulf ("If we can't control it, no one can.")

The dimensions are:
>Energy Security: How self-sufficient is the given country in its Energy Supply.
>Food Security: How self-sufficient is a given country in its Food Supply.
>Coercive Capacity: Can the given country bully other countries and "steal their lunch money" (Like "Force Projection" but broader to accommodate other forms of leverage - trade, maybe fiscal).

It splits Energy Security and Food Security because the outcomes are different:
>If a nation has Food Security but does not have Energy Security, they can "bunker down" and weather a depression.
>If a nation has Energy Security but does not have Food Security, they have bartering power.
>If a nation has neither, they either have to go out and secure it (Coercive Capacity) or otherwise be "propped up", lest they fall into domestic crisis.

Likely posture is determined based on where a country lands in the 2x2x2 (Energy Security:Food Security:Coercive Capacity) grid.

Obviously, this doesn't factor in any kind of nuance, but might give a good first-level analysis of which countries will likely brace or make moves.
Institutional Buffer is not accounted for.
>Rationale: "information velocity" too high with the internet - effective propaganda campaigns could crash institutional authority very quickly (e.g. think of how an Epstein campaign may impact social/institutional stability).
Timelines (e.g. Emergency Reserves) also not accounted for.
>Rationale: Increased complexity where as this is just trying to convey structurally which nations are in a weak position.
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