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If the procedure is good but the outcome is bad? What if it is existential?

I liked the way this was explained to me once, a long time back. 
If  Rome was like America, it would have never existed at all. The moment it met invaders it would ask them to take a vote. They'd all do it together: do we keep the empire, or not? Are citizens unique from the rest, or not? And the invaders would all vote no and the Citizens would vote all yes, but in the end the Invaders would win merely because they had the math. And that would be very humanitarian. The functionaries would claim it was legitimate. But the results wouldn't be right. 

We all know the reasons in civics why they talk about the benefits of democracy. It provided necessary feedback. It helps align the interests of the elites and the commoners. It gives a sense of ownership share in the government's policies. Etc, etc. Most of us have all heard and appreciate the wisdom of that. But what are the formative conditions for that state? How did it start to begin with?

Well of course, one party gained power and did the necessary evils to carve out a political unit of cohesion. It formed a polity, a unitary tribe. We called those days medieval. The logic was the sword, and that too by the morals of it's period was right.

The point as to the matter is that if any country has such deep divisions that it cannot have elections without one losing and one winning, one taking from the other and vice-versa in an unstable arrangement. Well, that wouldn't be a unitary country. The process would exists but the spirit behind it wouldn't. It would be a lie. A destructive one in fact

The western kings, who we all know still rule us, had better start waking up to these matters, lest those lose everything. If they cannot use the sword at all, they really have no kingdom. It would be almost time to form a new one
>>55924 (OP) 
>We all know the reasons in civics why they talk about the benefits of democracy. 

Because we grew up brainwashed in judeo-communist school systems. That is the reason. "Democracy" is a disguised variable vehicle of jewish power, nothing more. 

>It helps align the interests of the elites and the commoners. 

This is pure illusion. You are still under the kikes' spell if you believe this. 

> it cannot have elections without one losing and one winning

Only judeo-masonry wins in "American election cycles". We are under a jewish dictatorship and have been for centuries. Remember that America was created as a second Venice, it was created as the masonic New Atlantis, per ((( Francis Bacon's ))) instructions. Outward democracy was therefore always a rotating illusion lent to the believing goyish public. Congress is a diversionary body having no true instrumentality in the determination of affairs. Haven’t you ever played Metal Gear Solid 2? Presidents possess no power, they are drama ornaments set in place by the Patriots, aka the judeo-masonic mafia, under the purposed intent of disguising who is actually in control. Financiers cloaking their power through four-year “democratic” election cycles is one of the most genius aspects of their long-lived reign. All right-wing presidents (whether Nixon or Trump) are embroiled in scandals of one sort or the other, as this is how Jews impress upon the public the undesirability of right-wing political positions. Again the stressing of these scandals as being authentically politically meaningful matters will always remain necessary from the perspective of psychologically conditioning the goyish public, for through them the illusion of one man being in charge is upheld. This is especially important because it nullifies the need for any rebellion against the hidden masonic controllers --- if the American public can be made to believe that one man is driving all important political decisions, and that still further this man is subject to the fair and renovating motions of election cycles, they will likely never perceive the necessity of ousting the ((( real controllers ))) who lurk behind the presidential office and are in no way subject to any pretended democratic process.

All the original "liberal democratic theorists" were masonic propagandists who were knowingly writing on the behalf of the conquering interests of Jewish bankers (who had then (~late 1500s/early 1600s) just moved to England). Recall again that America was created as a vehicle for Venetian-Jewish power (for expanding their empire and control). Following this, when the Venetian bankers targeted the monarchies (French, Russian, etc.) for extinction, they did so in incredibly clever ways -- using different political fronts (democracy, communism) to mask their revolutionary hand and achieve their ends. Their enemies (white europeans, catholics, nationalists, monarchists, etc.) had always ruled in the open – you could point to the guy or the group of men in charge, and once you had cut off all their heads, the government belonged to you. But Jews are not this stupid, and possessing accordingly so much direct experience of being "persecuted" under these sorts of governments, they chose contrariwise to establish layered or cloaked systems of government (such as the one we live under right now) which effectively anonymizes their influence to all but maybe 2-4% of a given tyrannized population. At this moment, we cannot in a literal sense point to who is in charge because none of us actually know who is in charge (surely, we know it is the Jews who are in control, but we cannot say which exact Jew, even the Red Shields (Rothschilds) are a front for older Venetian/Phoenician families).
 
The last 400 years of human history have been one unbroken stream of Judeo-Phoenician conquest, which has evidently compassed the highest number of wars, the greatest starvations, the greatest genocides, the greatest "human rights" abuses, the greatest media scams, the greatest financial collapses, the greatest volume of slave traffick, etc. And all of this satanic trauma has taken place not under the stewardship of kings, but under the direction of Jewish bankers and their "democratic" governments.
 
The instauration of actual Monarchy (no-jews, no-masons monarchism) is the only path forward.
>>55926
Well-said. It's been a very long time.
>>55926
What really is remarkable is that these ((( tricksters ))) have been allowed to get away with it for so long.
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>>55926
>The instauration of actual Monarchy
One of them will let jews in out of greed, borrow money and wield the power that the jewish faction has over their rivals..
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>>56733
Why do you believe that they have been allowed to get away with it?
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>>56739
No one has meaningfully halted the advance ((( Venetian banks ))) in over 500 years.
>>56740
Do you think that anyone else is playing the game?
Is there evidence that anyone is playing the game?
>>56740
I wish you were actually from Comoros...
>>56737
As opposed to what? A mountain will bow to wind and rain. That’s the nature of reality. No nation, government, dynasty or empire is eternal.
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>>56808
It’s fairly costly for them to keep up the illusion of democracy. What is the difference between Monarchy and dictatorship, in your conception?
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>>56809
There is a framework where people slot in to fill roles with monarchy. A system that has over a thousand years of tradition and bloodlines stretching just as long. With a monarchy you have various noble ranks and clear power structures. A failing king can be replaced by other nobles without too much of a disruption. A dictatorship is just a one off situation without clear lines of succession. Do you truly believe that the facade of democracy is expensive? In a nation of hundreds of millions? The ability to hide the true reigns of power, the way that the masses can be kept complacent with containment and controlled opposition parties along with the way that no one answers for failure is worth the tiny upkeep cost.
>>56813
There are some pitfalls. This reminded me of a video I watched when it was first released and was considering Monarchy as well. I was big into Constitutional Republics, and I saw the departure of the Colonies from the monarchy the UK as good thing, that being that the King was not meeting the needs of the ruling class of the colonies and they chose to replace him. 

https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs&t=40

That is one of the issues with the Keys to power that kings struggle with. I think that’s why they had to have this “Divine” right to rule so often throughout history. A king may be replaced to hastily and make the situation worse, the power is in the purse strings (not to say it isn’t now, but to say it always has been, outside of divine right to rule). I’ll rewatch the video now.
>>56813
Let’s make Baron Trump king of America and institute the caste system that only jewish Christians may rule!
>>56827
Barron can be King of America if he gets rid of the Zio lobby and owns the libs. That was always the deal
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>>56827
Wow a nice gotcha. Let’s continue being slaves under zog and their two party system. Democracy rocks. I’m sure that a minority that’s been relegated to being goyim for a few centuries can vote their way to superiority again.
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>>56842
eww
>>56847
As long as the powerstructure, freemasonry exists behind the scenes of such movement, it will be equally captured by those same elements to their ends. The change would be mere window dressing.
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>>56827
Baron is an actual retard named after a satanic Redshield.
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>>55924 (OP) 
fool. That is what happened to the romans but much later in its existence than it did to the u.s.a. do you think those infinity slaves vanished?
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>>56856
Fuck off kike.  The Protocols of the Elders of Zion say that democracy, libertarianism, etc. were invented by the jews to replace benevolent leaders with gullible commoners.  

But that's just cope.  Jews didn't invent democracy, obviously. Aryans invented it, in ancient Greece.  Jews just stole it and corrupted it by extensio ad absurdum, just like they did with feminism, environmentalism, sustainability, and everything else we created. 

Jews hate true democracy because it's expensive.  There are too many people to bribe. 

>Serious businessmen have always preferred paying off one man or his son-in-law to buying half a thousand members of a Congress the way they must do in Washington, DC, say—not to mention subsidizing the key figures of a permanent and ever-expanding bureaucracy.    (Gore Vidal)
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>>57516
he's sub-80 iq...and like his father, a 100% proud owned slave of kikes.
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>>57713
Seen zero evidence suggesting Trump isn't above average. He holds sharp pressers even in an advanced age and has a good working memory. I'd say like 110 something range, so he was sharper when he was young. Baron may be a regression to the mean but he probably won't turn out stupid either.
>>56827
His purported collusion with his father, the president of the United States to bilk the stockmarket for his own gain doesn't give his idolaters any pause. Whomever can call themselves a supporter of Trump is either an idiot or hass fallen prey to the Israeli-tier morality that is exuded from this administration. Congratulations to you all, you have lived long enough to see yourselves become spiritually jewish.
>>57586
You are arguing for pro-democracy because it is expensive for jews, but then in the beginning you imply that benevolent leaders would triumph over jews, but it's less expensive to buy them in out in such a system. Good takes, but I can't land on what your actual opinion is. T
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>>58007
democracy IS jews
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