/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

>>57726 (OP) 
does the christian right actually have power in numbers or is it a dead letter after the 80's when they had significant clout with the satanic panic? 

I think generally, a religious leader can bring socially conservative benefits for a country but also retard it in many developmental ways intellectually. So that's kind of a mixed bag to see if they are the leading horse, rather than just a horse in the race

>>57726 (OP) 
I don't believe in the power of Christian Nationalism to solve the issues of Europeans. It's pretty ass-backward to create a pro-european movement on the back of Christian ideology, It's taking step forwards, and steps back as I've seen so far.

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>>57754
Christians will just stab ethno nationalists in the back

>>57754
If most of the population believes in Christian nationalism, or at the very least a large chunk and they are solid on the issues that matter, they absolutely get a seat at the round table and corresponding recognition. 

All western governments have been waging a war on traditional values since secret policing became a thing during the millennium. Simply believing in traditional marriage, martial values or social conservatism is literally a flag in their detection systems. Christian nationalism was flagged as something they want to suppress and dogpile, despite seemingly zero evidence it is anything other than people's opinions.

We win when the various radical and dissident strands weave into a strong cord. Christians are invited, absolutely no question about it

>>57838
Not my religion. All the good aspects likely come from paganism or the fact that until the last century most Christians were White. Since my preteen years, my dreams, intuition and ancestral blood memories guided me away from that homosexualist fake religion. I agree that nationalism is good for White people as long as it is ethnonationalism, but social conservatism is not the way. Social conservatism is merely the act riding on the coattails of liberalism and acquiescing to the degeneracy it creates. Social traditionalism is a better way to preserve the fire of the European peoples.
>oh yeah bro this lesbian archbishop, a gay pope and a pro-muslom patriarch are going to help save the West.
No. Even atheistic nationalism, while inferior to pagan nationalism, is better than what you propose.

>>57843
I think we can just do a reasonable accommodation, that's all that has to be. Christians in power may be the poison pill we have to accept to get to a conservative world

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>>57838
>a seat at the round table 

Kikes just don't bring enough to the table in any way to be worth preserving.

If you remove them all, the relief in human suffering will yield such exponential returns on the energy put into removing them that there is nothing imaginable that even comes close.

There is nothing more important.

There is nothing more obvious.

Everyone will come on board with this thinking.

No amount of nice talk, supplication, negotiating or soft/hard power will stop the wave of indiscriminate antisemitism that is coming.

Its just practicalities.

Nothing personal.

>>57857
Respectfully, I disagree. I don't think a conservative world isn't desirable if the goal is to establish a White ethnostate. I'm not trying to be a purity spiralling spaz here, I'm saying there needs to be someplace where the line is drawn; a sort of minimal level of acceptability, if you will. I don't think one can reasonably accomodate degeneracy (and make no mistake, that's what Christianity enables despite all their pontification about sin) and expect signs of cultural and moral decay to not metastasize like an aggressive cancer, we've seen this pattern happen in virtually every empire in recorded history and it's currently happening. A traditionalist movement needs not only a strong cultural framework (which Christianity has) but also minimum standards and based on my instincts and analysis of history, this is a good cutoff point. Allowing Christianity into a society is like letting leftists into eco-libertarian or -fascist groups, refugees into a homogenous society or women into any political office, male hobby or including priesthood - once you let one in it's basically over, they'll poison society with pathological empathy. Many will not want to hear this but it needs to be said: Christianity, like Islam and Judaism, are cults for weak dysgenic incels instead of strong virile Chads that European paganism selects for; this always has been the case and always will be. If Christians want to create their own traditionalist society somewhere else they are more than welcome to try real communi- I mean Christianity again for the nth time. But somewhere far away. Maybe Syria-Palestina since that's were Jesus came from.

>>57863
fuck me i make a lot of typos when I'm sloshed, sorry guys

>>57726 (OP) 
Saaaaaaaarrrrrrrr

>>57863
reality is messy. It's entropy versus stabilization. You get certain ways to make the cake and some will work and others won't. Christian conservatives are going in the direction I want to see happen, even if I may disagree with their specific ideological commitments. 

The point is not that society will be utterly shit, be constantly controlled by elite classes, and have all of the salient issues you are trying to buzzword, it's that it will more adequately reflect and incorporate our interests into policy. If Christianity is a road to nationalism, then it's a good pairing. Better than Zionism in my opinion since that is very distant from our needs currently

>>57863
Whatever social program is laid on top of Christianity is what Christianity will become. It can be based crusader, antisemitism, gay cuck, communism, everything, 

That’s what’s so great about it as a tool. It fits in with the neoliberal world view as well much to the chagrin of both “sides” of politics.

>>57871
>Christianity is better than Zionism as a route to nationalism

Zionism works much better for jews as a path to nationalism than Christianity ever could. You know that a political ideology like Zionism isn’t wholly owned by jews and could be carbon copied onto White nationalism right? It’s even been done before with a Christian tinge, it might happen again.

https://youtu.be/O_3_-UrhZH0

>>57889
I do agree about your point there, we cannot simply "take" Christianity without the charlatans and grifting and poz sadly. I don't believe that it is reasonable to designate christian nationalism a major security concern however, which is basically why they are calling people that label rather than just right wing christians.  Much like the founding fathers for that matter

Question is, how do you keep the glownigs out of such a movement even if it's de-zogged? Can that even be discussed without giving those unimaginative stool pigeons information they can misuse or develop a countermeasure from?

>>57938
Your orgs have to remain a headless chicken. Having top down authority is the issue. Centralization of command structures while they look strong on paper, are ripe for exploitation. Cells have to operate autonomously with the same agenda, and be a multitude non-interoperable parts to a loosely defined whole. Communication between groups non-existent and distrusted entirely. You don’t get an LLC, a Facebook page, a YouTube channel, a flier and then go about doing opps.

>>57936
You should take their designation of “terrorist orgs” as for public consumption and ALL that entails

>>57955
you should basically avoid even the concept of a cell. Autonomous groups which share memes is actually the future, just another 4chan. Everyone centers around an idea which cannot be subverted while the people can be, and then gets to business of pushing the memes at an r=2 rate and you're getting somewhere. 

the literal glowie strategy is all these concencentrating physical front groups which put people under control of easily tapped/broken/entrapped retards.

>>58031
>the literal glowie strategy is all these concencentrating physical front groups which put people under control of easily tapped/broken/entrapped retards.

Correct and a better summary than I could give. 

>Autonomous groups which share memes is actually the future
It's not all about 5th gen but the capture is good. If you could use 5th gen capture on groups of normies who have friends in a serious way then I think 5th gen could naturally spill out into IRL, so perhaps its actually a good strategy for people like me, who do mostly 5th gen and no IRL to focus on that.

>>58034
the way they are trying to subvert 5th gen is by taking messages they receive as bystanders, and then acting deliberately maliciously to try and trace a line of causality. The sam altman moltov is obviously one of these. Who knows what the real source for that malicious false-flag was, some guy on the internet who happened to be mad about altman and say the effect of "well somebody should do something"?

Or the freedom convoy, where the feds showed up with a nazi flag for a protest movement ran mostly by old hippies and rebel news types. One person on social media who they thought had a nazi flag liked the convoy page on facebook? Was that really the source?

>>58035
>to try and trace a line of causality.
Causality can be invented, as long as you can sell it you are in the clear. There is no need for that. This shit never even goes to court in the public eye anymore and we should entertain the idea that the judges/prosecutors et al. If they even exist are "brothers". 

>One person on social media who they thought had a nazi flag liked the convoy page on facebook?

Immaterial to reality and a case of optics management which can be created out of then air, via false claims/doctored evidence.

>>57726 (OP) 
TOTAL CHRISTCUCK DEATH

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TOTAL ABRAHAMIC DEATH
TOTAL SEMITE (Afro-Asiatic) DEATH
TOTAL SHITSKIN DEATH
TOTAL NON DEATH

>>59003
HELL YEAH DAMN RIGHT BROTHER
KILL KILL KILL
MOAR INFOGRAPHICS
MOAR WORDS
SURELY THIS WILL DEFEAT THE TURBOKIKE NIGGERJEW LIBTARDS

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>>57888
>Whatever social program is laid on top of Christianity is what Christianity will become. It can be based crusader, antisemitism, gay cuck, communism, everything, 

I've noticed an absence of Christian NGOs against usury, mass immigration, trannyism, and other societal ills. 
Even the "trad-conservative" Christian PACs are ostensibly a cover for kiked christian zionism.
One could arguably legally establish religious (ethno) communities based on Christian Identity and either agitate the ZOG into exposing their hypocrisy, or successfully create White communities similar to Orania.
Amish communities are another example of this working in practice.

>>59024
Based Christianity seems to be an urban legend or confined to the states. My local ones are covered in homosexual stairs and flags. IE not Christian, just a bunch of degenerates who in fact hate them

>>57726 (OP) 
Does Chrtian nationalism actually have a dogma of ideology? 

> Is it philosemtic or anti Zionist?

> is it Catholic Orthodox or Protestant?


It kinda sounds like a meme since churches today are not unified on any doctrine and they certainly were not at the country’s foundation. The founder realized wars where thought over religioun back in Europe and if they established the separation of church and state, because if they made America a theocracy they would have to pick a denomination. Pick Quaker you piss off the Puritans pick Puritians youpiss of the Catholics ect. Wouldn’t chrtian nationalism suffer from the same problem ?

>>59023
what's your solution? ya gonna suck as many monotheist cocks as you can in the hope that they won't kill you and your family or sell you out to those who will? maybe tommie heebinson will say something based that will own the shitlibs tomorrow. trust da plan! 2 more deradicalization programs to save the crypto-muslim king!

>>59025
The churches I remember attending in the '80s and early '90s were undeniably based.
There were no female preachers.
Single parenthood, drug and (heavy) alcohol use, sodomy, race mixing ( I clearly remember a "better to stay within your tribe when choosing a spouse" sermon), gambling, and the seven deadly sins in general were decried.
It wasn't fire and brimstone but it certainly wasn't designed to accommodate and comfort people who were sinners by the churches' standards. 
At some point, they were pozzed by the idea that anything less than "anything goes" is intolerance, and therefore against the teachings of Christ.

>>59036
It's wild that over a millennium of based traditions was almost entirely undone in the matter of a few decades.

>>59036
I'm never going to be a believer but any organization with social conservative fundamentals gets my support. It is really wild to think of how massively millenials ruined their culture with decadence

>>59044
>I'm never going to be a believer 
Understandable
I know some of the old guys weren't faithful believers, but still viewed Christian values (of the time) as an essential tool to achieve stable families, communities, and nations.
From the government's (ZOG's) perspective, destroying the church as a societal foundation leaves corrupt scientists and social scientists as the high priests dictating the truth when the compromised churches are too silly and tractable to be taken seriously.
The old priesthoods arguably believed in what they spoke but we're damned to live in a world controlled by malicious liars now.
"You will know them by their works," and all that.

>Protocol 1:26:
>For them let that play the principal part which we have persuaded them to accept as the dictates of science (theory). It is with this object in view that we are constantly, by means of our press, arousing a blind confidence in these theories. The intellectuals of the GOYIM will puff themselves up with their knowledge and without any logical verification of them will put into effect all the information available from science, which our AGENTUR specialists have cunningly pieced together for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want. 

>Protocol 4:3
>But even freedom might be harmless and have its place in the State economy without injury to the well-being of the peoples if it rested upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity, unconnected with the conception of equality, which is negatived by the very laws of creation, for they have established subordination. With such a faith as this a people might be governed by a wardship of parishes, and would walk contentedly and humbly under the guiding hand of its spiritual pastor submitting to the dispositions of God upon earth. This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.