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cb407a No.675
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The long story short of Tor is that it was created by the US army to be used by US spies in foreign countries and it needs as many users as possible to "drown the fish".

"because their spies use it too" is the answer to such affirmations as "If Tor could make you really anonymous, they would not let you use it."

So officially no police, no feds, no gov agency, in the world, can break Tor. (despite the tens of thousands of pedophiles who got arrested along the years for visiting illegal onions)
They even say they don't even want to break Tor, because if they did then opponents may also be able to. What ridiculous bullshit...

Follow my reasoning:
All countries spy on other countries. Even if their own spies use Tor too, they just know that other countries also have spies spying on them and using Tor, so of course they all want to break Tor's anonymity. And soon or later they will eventually can, then they'll have a big advantage over all the other ones that still can't.

Now imagine you are USA. You love spying the fucking shit out of everybody. You had Tor created for you, you financed it, the creators live in USA, the Tor website is hosted in USA, 3/4+ of nodes are either in USA or in your slave-state Germany. You just have total control over everything about Tor, and of course you want to break Tor's anonymity.
How could you not be able to? How the fucking hell could you not?

How could Tor's anonymity be real?

To me, it's just impossible. Maybe many countries still can't break Tor's anonymity, but at least USA can for sure. Either they always were able to since the very start, or they later became able to, but it's just impossible that they let you be really anonymous.

As for the others, note how the worst freedomless police states such as Germany, UK, Australia and France where every fucking thing is illegal surprisingly don't just make Tor illegal and block it, allegedly to protect freedom of speech and stuff. Yeah sure, freedom of speech in these countries, fucking LOL. It's definitely a proof that they too have broken it, or else they would definitely just make it illegal and block it.
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353983 No.676
>>675 (OP) 
<The long story short of Tor is that it was created by the US army
U.S. Navy. This isn't a good argument by itself, by the way. Guess who created ARPANET which is the direct ancestor of that little thing called the Internet that you and I are using to talk to one another. Is that fully compromised and insecure due to its origins?
>To me, it's just impossible. Maybe many countries still can't break Tor's anonymity, but at least USA can for sure. Either they always were able to since the very start, or they later became able to, but it's just impossible that they let you be really anonymous.
Yes, it's likely compromised by the United States and any vulnerabilities are shared with Five Eyes Allies by agencies such as DARPA and/or the NSA on a needed basis. Is it possibly safe from other adversaries? The US is essentially an arm of Israel which absolutely delights in selling and leaking US technology to the Russians and Chinese, despite it being a detriment to everyone.

I'd say the answer is that it's vulnerable to all state actors and intelligence agencies, regardless of country, but it's a good defense against the other 90% of attackers and hackers.
6c3698 No.678
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>>675 (OP) 
>you want to break Tor's anonymity.
>How could you not be able to? How the fucking hell could you not?
424eb3 No.685
What do you mean?
41de25 No.687
This is correct. By using that service your network immediately is treated as suspicious and all the agencies begin looking at you quite closely. So it defeats the very purpose of anonymizing by being obtrusive

Consider that wikileaks started out by collecting a bunch of gov files by running a honeypot tor node. If they can do that to obtain information, any bad actor could.  I would guess it's a system for informants and that the real players don't much use it. Although Snowy Ed claimed they did back when he was in station. I think things have changed since
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6e8535 No.692
>>687
This is why I baked Tor into a social app I wrote and added about two million users to the Tor network. Most of those users don't even know what an IP address is.
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c2b86e No.695
>>692
Cool what app?
85e83c No.696
>>692
you're way too based for this site my friend. I think most of the tor real action goes on using hidden nodes these days
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c2b86e No.697
>>696
What tor analogs are there anyway?
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85e83c No.699
>>697
lokinet. The memey vpn grift if you're stupid and new to computing.  I have given up the concept of being able to truly hide long term internet activity. The more obfuscation you do the more they ask questions, thus defeating the entire purpose
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