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>>5298 (OP) 
<righty
Conservatives are not right-wing, erev rav mamzer.

imagine thinking I will defend you when the state comes for you next. Lol.

>>5299
>Righties
>Conservatives
>MAGAtards
All synonyms, Anon, but please, do explain the subtle but distinct differences between all of them to us.

Let's listen and learn.

>>5300
>imagine thinking I will defend you when the state comes for you next. Lol.
imagine thinking that you would have ever defended me when the state came for me next in the first place. Lol.

>>5301
>>5302
Erev rav, a conservative is a lukewarm leftist and half-committed progressive. They are yesterday's radical progressive. Every generation, they cede more ground permanently to the motivated radical progressive of today. Look around you: conservatives entertain the idea of 'based' trannies, homosexual marriage, allowing women to teach, preach, or possess any rights whatsoever. Conservatives talk warmly of niggers and immigrants now, along with service to a foreign nation and race (Israel). None of these are even remotely fathomable to a right-wing movement and individual.

>>5303
Go get a .22 and cap yourself

>5304
cry more faggot. you shills are in damage control and fuck the mods for letting you guys have a place here to begin with,

>>5305
Just curious...   are you a burger stationed in Singapore?  Or an actual Singaporian or whatever you call yourselves?

>>5299
> Conservatives are not right-wing
Neither are National Socialist. Don’t trap yourself in some faggy compass meme.

>>5345
NS are right-wing, because even if a movement is 0%+ leftist in policy composition, if it applies only to the core ethnic demographics as NS explicitly does, this makes it right-wing. Furthermore, pre-war NSDAP's points were explicitly right-wing in the majority by themselves.

>>5346
90%+*

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>>5346
You're extremely wrong. Left/right has nothing to do with maintaining racial homogeneity, since that wasn't a serious concern to anyone in Europe before the post WW2 Pax Americana (infinity joggers edition). 
The concept wasn't even heavily used at the time. The "left" was commonly called "the reds" or "the communists" or whatever, and the "right" was commonly called "the conservatives" or "the reactionaries" or whatever. There were tons of parties and movements in between (and outside of the spectrum). 
A German conservative of the time would think of American conservatives as liberal leftoids (which is objectively correct), since what the American conservatives claim to want to conserve is a liberal, left-wing system, whereas the German conservative/reactionary wants to conserve/restore a monarchy. 
Post 1776 America is 100% liberals arguing about how to best be liberals, just like bolsheviks and mensheviks arguing how best to be marxists, or judaists and christians arguing how best to worship the god of the jews. It's all infighting.
Europeans at the time were smart enough to understand basic nuance beyond a Hegelian dialectic binary. They weren't modern two-party burgers. The problem arises from you being a "left wing" person by default, because you're an American, and you're looking at something that is far to the right of your current Overton window. It's like a bolshevik calling a social democrat a far right extremist.

You ought to
>look up the origin of the NSDAP. In particular, you should wonder what the A stands for.
>read the Horst Wessel song.
>read the part of Mein Kampf where Hitler declares himself a revolutionary.
>check out the political beliefs of the major assassination attempts on Hitler.
>check out the contemporary memes about the political beliefs of the Sturmabteilung.

NS is neither and/or both, depending on how you see it. But if you retardedly insist on placing it in a contemporary left/right dichotomy, it leans left rather than right. You can read Povl H. Riis-Knudsen's "National Socialism - A Left Wing Movement". His other essay on NS is great too:
https://archive.org/details/NSLM_201604
https://archive.org/details/the-biological-worldview

>>5346
NS isn't a real political system since 1944. These days it's like a group of people on the internet who self-profess adherence to it but are clearly quite eclectic. But even just a cursory discussion with most would indicate they wouldn't even pass a basic fascism definition test. Which is hilarious really.

>>5354
>NS isn't a real political system since 1944. 
German Nation Socialism is not a real political system anymore, you are correct; national socialism is. The NSDAP's 25 Points can be generalized to any nation, if you simply replace ethnic Germans with [traditional and historical ethnic group of whichever nation is adopting it], along with maintaining the exclusion of jews. You can even combine pre-war and interim-war National Socialism's structure for a nation, as some features had to be loosened due to war efforts such as the protocols for limiting child-bearing women's role in education and the workplace.

>>5348
>NS is neither and/or both, depending on how you see it. But if you retardedly insist on placing it in a contemporary left/right dichotomy, it leans left rather than right. 
I've done all those things, on top of taking heavy notes from my reading of what you've said. The policies of the NSDAP (both during peace time and war), did indeed lean more left-wing in a traditional sense. However, these are completely nullified on the left-right axis by the ethno-state features of explicitly prioritizing ethnic Germans which are extremely clear in the NSDAP's 25 Points along with other material. These de-facto make it right-wing, especially combined with the strong emphasis on nationalism over internationalism.

>>5354
There are several successor parties and movements to the NS movement in Europe as we speak.
>>5359
>>5360
>25 points
The 25 points are from 1920(!) and were largely ignored by the NSDAP in praxis and cannot be considered at the heart of NS by any means.
>ethno-state
There's absolutely nothing about the definitions of ethno-state or far right (at the time) that support your conclusion. We can't debate the issue if you're just making declaratory statements without any argument. Read the essay I linked. It's by a contemporary National Socialist writer whose father was an SS officer.

But I'll eat my hat if you can provide a credible Hitler quote where he calls NS a right wing movement.

>>5354
>>5361
US Anon is technically right on this, what Anons do isnt what NSDAP really was.
>There are several successor parties and movements to the NS movement in Europe as we speak.
No, there arent. Its all bait and switch because all white countries today are ran by geezers, hags and emancipated womenz. Young men are out of their minds to actually sacrifice anything in a world where escapism is around the corner. This is not a blackpill, but rather a cold splash back into reality to better reasses the situation before engaging.

>>5363
>No, there arent
Don't be a blackpilling faggot. Whether you like them or not doesn't matter. There are actual openly NS parties and movements in Europe (and even abroad). They're just obviously kept out of the political process.
>inb4 feds
Absolutely everything is likely infiltrated to some extent (online "movements" even moreso than real ones), but that's irrelevant to whether or not they exist.

>>5366
>They're just obviously kept out of the political process.
This might be an interesting take, but i dont think they are just simply posers or all feds or any of that mostly, but they all have no idea and when the oppose each other (right wing geeezers/hags and left wing geezers/hags), its non sensical even then, they are so cut off from reality that it all becomes one unbearable cringe without any meaningful productive result. Its wasting everybodys time. Remember, we are living in weak times where weak men and schizo women rule the world, and actual good willed men are few and far between, they rarely get to take the levers of power currently which it might not be their moment to do so, things will have to get even more worse as a further proof of incompetence of stupidity of "leaders" everywhere to the masses. Like masses know any better lol. Denmark is pretty white and homogenous in rural areas and small towns isnt it? If thats the case like in here, you are not aware then how much lives in that context or cut off from "the happenings" and "tabloid headlines", you waste your energy of such things, better laugh at jokes, do local business, strengthen already established communities and enjoy, then you are performing in bringing actual productive results. Its something im lacking myself and working towards, its a clear goal in itself.

>>5366
>>5363
>>5367
I dont know why my ID`s change. Im the same Serbanon you have been talking to for the past couple fo days.

>>5368
I assumed as much.
>>5367
Yes, rural Denmark is mostly White still, although we are never far from a big city, and raiding parties from the ghettoes drive out to loot and pillage. I think Eastern Europe is still demographically best off for now, but Denmark is probably one of the best places in Western Europe. I'm not sure why, but we're somehow not as cucked as our neighbors.
Nonetheless, there still are NS parties. Whether they are going to be politcally effective or not was not my argument, just that they do actually exist.
But I agree with you. I also am aiming at bettering my immediate surroundings first and foremost. Hitler says it best: "Your most treasured possession is your own people.", and we ought to care for them concentrically: household first, then neighbors/extended family, town, region, etc.

>>5369
*ghettos
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>>5367
I don't like Denmark, but what he is talking about with being kept out of politics is a real thing which happens to all outsider parties deemed a threat. They are denied basic access to media, influence, various other assets which make the possibility of political action a real consequence. 

So for example the PPC (the original anti immigration populist party in Canada) was denied speaking rights at the national political debates. And many other things, including lawfare by police action, media repression, censorship and blackballing campaigns coming from media sources normies trust etc. As a result of this it has never gotten above a scarce few percentages of the actual population's support. Because they don't even know it existed as a viable option. 

Whereas by contrast the Greens, which are another Canadian outsider party with dismal formal prospects, have been the subject of unprecedented media hype and sponsorship to try and position them in the Canadian landscape. They were invited to most debates, they held a few ridings in government, and were given official recognition which gave them access to politics. 

The original PPC people these days simply fedpost, because it is visibly obvious that the political solution to Canada's problems were denied. Democracy in western countries is a farcical lie to obscure the corrupt processes of money and middle management. The sitting establishment dictates who is allowed the right to speak and therefore pre-screens the opposition. It's like this everywhere now, liberalism is a joke