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some of the tacit ideology I've seen pushed over and over:
>populism bad, progressives good
>manufacturing support for mass migration
>manufacturing support for transgenderism
>manufacturing support for globalism
>manufacturing support for 3rd wave feminism
>manufacturing the denial of race
>manufacturing support for progressive social policy
>reproducing certain holy writ interpretations of history; such as the civil rights narrative or Hitler was ontologically evil narrative.
>institutional convergence on social constructivist notions of society 

So the prof starts a class making some political comments off the offhand about Orange man bad etc, and then begins lecturing on a social constructionist version of reality to explain world events. Students are then solicited to build the peer pressure case for this by speaking out in support by answering solicited questions. Later on they write papers on topics using a selected library of books which the university has already screened, often coached directly by the professor on what is an acceptable or unacceptable argument, paper to cite etc. And four years later the kid comes out thinking a bunch of crazy notions disconnected from lived experience, in accordance with peer group effect and grooming. This is the peak intellectually formative years of their lives, and they experience it molding in a social environment disconnected from actual workplace pressures.

The reason why we have very strange political trends for current gens compared to previous ones is very easy to infer, it's the long tail of the university scam building the case for a parallel reality in an echo chamber

Sucks having siblings who went to an art university & came out as liberals. Really what was the point. My father is a liberal as well will stick up for nones.
>one can not see their loved ones change
>then not become a third positionist
>four years of programming cannot be undone
     I was thinking of getting a student loan and not paying it.

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>>13267 (OP) 
>Despite the high rate of degree holders, there is no corresponding increase in market competitivity.

but that doesn't say anything because not everybody was tricked into believing life is competition. you assume competition is universally regarded and apply it as a universal tool of measurement.

both competition as well as markets and all the related market dynamics are ideas that not everyone would agree with are valid.

i agree university degrees are largely garbage but that mean that making your boss rich is as important to everyone as it is to you and it shouldn't be because the ideology you implicitly carry has it's own problems, mostly in the type of people it produces and how inhumane the competition makes them. competition rewards evil and brings out the worst of people and then these trash people want to be parasites on everyone else while pretending they are also "just people" even though clearly they are not.

you also measure success in drops of bloods sucked per minutes?

>>13273
This shit costs time and money, and the vast majority of people who undertake and finish expect a job to come out of the pipeline commensurate to their perceived experience. Even though their experience is dogshit.  It is a HUGE problem and creates a perceived versus real status differential while they often end up in the precariat.  What's worse is some of them actually do enter the elite and status holder ranks and then go on to wreck havoc on society because of their faulty programming. We're seeing the fruits of that today.  Mass education with these propaganda mills is also a way to capture the middle and technician class

>>13276
>This shit costs time and money, and the vast majority of people who undertake and finish expect a job to come out of the pipeline commensurate to their perceived experience. Even though their experience is dogshit.  

it is, the real benefit of studying is not in the things that the professors and courses teach but in the general atmosphere of wanting to understand, critical thinking and diving deep into complicated matter. the good part of studying is that when the idiotic garbage that the university wants the student to learn is dealt with, the student can finally learn what is interesting and useful in between the torturous lectures, which could have been done without the university way better but nobody is allowed to tell this to young people so they are getting tricked being in the university in the first place. fuck the university, i regret it despite having studied one of the more useful subjects in one of the better universities i am sure you have heard the name of. wasted my youth on this evil shit. also they don't tell you the HR-Infested nightmare that corporate culture is. 95% of available jobs are unacceptable to anyone with dignity. they need to remain unfilled but again people are tricked into them.

>It is a HUGE problem and creates a perceived versus real status differential while they often end up in the precariat.  What's worse is some of them actually do enter the elite and status holder ranks and then go on to wreck havoc on society because of their faulty programming. 

it's not even just programming, at this point into the game it is already bred in. tons of young people are born from corrupt parents and they started life corrupt already so they will already do the evil thing their leader wants them to do without them even having to be traumatized and demoralized and depressed to accept this as normal.

it is useless and generally the people who do it are evil and get more evil as their education progresses. the system needs them to be evil.

>We're seeing the fruits of that today.  Mass education with these propaganda mills is also a way to capture the middle and technician class

if you don't think the same thing happens when you are doing apprenticeship you are retarded. i would have loved learning a trade but the people who take apprentices are usually depressed alcoholics who watch sportsball and eat garbage (thus are sick all the time). they want the apprentice to be something between a son and a soldier and in the end by trying to imprint their degenerate way of life upon the young people, they are helping the system they foolishly believe they are fighting against.

it is just corruption wherever you look, not just in the universities. if you think university is worse then becoming carpenter, you don't know what is going on in the real world.

>>13289
What are you even trying to tell me? That you had a good experience as a student because you're an exception to the norm of mediocre applicants? Do you think I'm talking about that? No, I'm not. If you're a good student such as the people on this site you're probably one of the few who did belong in post-secondary.  That's the point of college, taking people with talent and giving them the skills to add innovative information to college to benefit society

Mass education is when society packs in the low or average performing into institutions designed to create the intelligentsia. It made intelligentsia significantly dumber, makes the students left wing retards, and what's worse craters fertility. That's what we need to cut. And really, we need to brutally sack the academia deadwood as well if we're to get anywhere. Even you know that

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<Q: Are schools really biased towards white men are is this low IQ cope?
>A: More like 115-130 IQ's get straight A's. 140+ IQ's are thinking about stabbig themselves in the eyes while listening to tyrone try to fucking read 6 words per minute. If you're smart, you probably wont know you're in goy training on a goy plantation in an invisible goy gulag.... But you'll DEFINITELY sense somethings off and that you can do the bare minimum and coast. Your teachers are all commie 100 IQ feminists that hate you. Your peers are drooling fucking impressionable faggots. School is a weird kind of hell if you're highly intelligent.

>>13290
>That's the point of college, taking people with talent and giving them the skills to add innovative information to college to benefit society

no that is the advertisement, that's what they want you to hear. the reality is to fill horrible jobs that benefit a small minority and celebrate a theater around it so that it looks good all tricking idiots into never discovering their potential and engage in dependency. you can find people who benefit society afterwards but that is secondary. primary is to make idiots who take orders by greedy evil people while they think they are heroes.

>>13297
Right, it is shit. But credentialization is also a pathway to getting into gatekept occupational jobs. The social rationale for university, which is why we fund it, is that somehow this credentialization makes them better. Or else government would not be paying huge sums to prop these institutions up. 

I already agree it's a brainwashing mold. That's what has happened to it. We should eliminate most arts programs, end mass education (cheap, undemanding 4 year programs with no skills taught), and focus on teaching intellectual skills or specific technical skillsets cheaply rather than bloating the process. Anyways, this is hopelessly off topic.

>End mass university = End a huge cohort of the progressive brainwashing apparatus
You obviously agree in principle with this

>>13290
>makes the students left wing retards

have you not understood the political ping pong game of making the sides switch all the time as to keep everything confusing?

10 years ago right wing were the retards who wanted war, now the retards call themselves left wing and realize their wars from the left. i resent that you have let yourself be seduced by the illusionary left wing and right wing false duality. even you thinking in those terms and using these concepts to judge reality ensures that you will not understand what is going on.

thinking in left and right is stupid and i invite you learn about what you believe as left wing in a more intellectually curious way because that is where you biggest benefit probably lies buried. it is not 100% brainwashed trance state, there are good arguments in there.

one thing you might want to take a look at is how your average non-vegan ages. how they just have a crash at some point and become frail and that is not necessary at all.

i do this with what you foolishly might call right wing, i look at all the concepts. grew up around peaceful lefties and i try to stay informed on conservatives even though they are kind of unappealing to me.

>>13299
There are clear, clear differences between left and right ideologically, racially, physically and mentally. It's such a cleft that there's really no point in bridging it. I've encountered all their ideologies and ideas at this point and found them quite malicious, or wrong, or otherwise insulting. So I've already made my choice, as have most people. We are in camps because the population is in schism between different interests to be served.

to sum: There are clear differences in outcomes between left and right politics in government. I've no interest in those people. And such a debate is off-topic anyways

>>13298
>Right, it is shit. But credentialization is also a pathway to getting into gatekept occupational jobs. 
the gatekeeping enhances the theater, in implying importance and social status meanwhile you never hear about how many people regret their job, everybody pretends their job is important.

>The social rationale for university, which is why we fund it, is that somehow this credentialization makes them better. Or else government would not be paying huge sums to prop these institutions up. 

i think there was a time in which educational systems were useful and that time was before the printing press and after that, they have been a steady liability on humanity.

>I already agree it's a brainwashing mold. That's what has happened to it. We should eliminate most arts programs, 
art is not worse then finance or law. is just a stupid approach to trap children and apply punishment and traumatization under various pretext. i could never send a child to these stupid evil government buildings. i had not gone to school at all, i would have been fine and i would have been 20 years smarter then i am now.

>>End mass university = End a huge cohort of the progressive brainwashing apparatus
>You obviously agree in principle with this

i've even been a teacher for a few years and just the entire approach is rotten. you can't force children to sit in a room for 8 hours, this is hopelessly misguided and wrong. it is worse then prison for children, it is concentration camp for children.

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>>13300

>to sum: There are clear differences in outcomes between left and right politics in government. I've no interest in those people. And such a debate is off-topic anyways

this stupid resentful attitude will stop you from realizing that you are way more similar to what you call lefties then you think. though i do believe some kind of physical divorce mechanisms from people you don't agree with for whatever reason needs to emerge. people should not be forced to be friends or be in the same economy with people they hate. simple as. this is basic democracy that needs to catch up to the actual wishes of the people and the more time you waste arguing against imagined sides, the less likely this democracy will happen.

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>>13267 (OP) 
Redefine this, I am going to kill you.

>>13302
posturing using the language of superiority on the internet doesn't mean you've actually won an argument. The left liberal position is history

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>>13302

Hi, logic here. The reason your statement wont work is because the slaver unions aren't profitable by themselves. Hence why they are always trying to recruit via force. The only way out is to kill them via superior force and Gods will. Nice big conscientious objector brain. If you decided to sit this one out you might get to see it right before you die as a star spangled coward.

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>education isn't about societal consequence, it's a luxury for yourself!
>competition isn't real, the left and right are the same!

Pic related vegan, you're the grasshopper

>>13304
>actually won an argument

you seem to think there is anything to win here. i don't see it.

>>13305
>The reason your statement wont work

what was the statement working as?

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>>13306
>Pic related vegan, you're the grasshopper

you don't sound like someone who has given veganism a real look. insulting vegans into explaining it to you so you don't have to do the work to look into it yourself from genuine curiosity is kind of a stupid strategy in the game of nutrition because you wager your life in this game. or maybe you have so little confidence in your ability to learn things that you don't even try and just blindly obey the programs that have been installed onto you; as if your mind was shaped by some kind of institution that makes it so people don't question things themselves and rather expect knowledge to be served to them...

>>13309
Dear mister 2737ad, 
can you please explain what your argument or point(s) are in this thread in simple, concise language, without flowery language or reference to sophistry?

regards, anon

>>13315
>can you please explain what your argument or point(s) are in this thread in simple, concise language, without flowery language or reference to sophistry?

or just make sense of it yourself, try to understand it as good as you can and based on what you have gathered, try to carry your weight a little bit more instead of playing the female and inventing any excuse to be rescued. you seem helplessly overwhelmed in finding the answer and instead want to be given the answer. potentially very much seduced by AI and not at all in the habit of thinking for yourself. you want thinking to be done for you it seems. i guess you don't trust in your abilities.

>>13319
This is a fucking bot.

>>13319
>didnt read gptchan said:
Cutting but non-slur options

“If confidence came from condescension alone, you’d be a genius. Unfortunately, it doesn’t.”

“You confuse arrogance with insight. They’re not the same thing.”

“You’re very loud about ‘independent thinking’ for someone outsourcing empathy entirely.”

“There’s a difference between critique and insecurity dressed up as toughness.”

“If this is your idea of mentorship, it explains a lot.”

Calm, dismissive (often more effective)

“Noted. If you have substantive feedback, feel free to share it.”

“This isn’t productive. I’ll engage when the tone improves.”

Reframing to expose them

“You could have said ‘try first, then ask.’ Instead you chose insults. That says more about you than me.”

pick ur favorite nigger

>>13321
>gptchan said

>please ai give me the answer, i am just a chubby stimulus responder. i never asked for a brain, why do people expect me to use one?

>>13321
you didn't write it, i didn't bother to read it, everybody happy, you are slowly turning into slop

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>>13267 (OP) 
Perhaps not a "mistake" but rather an intentionally popularized dimension of the jewish control system which captures the minds of naive young people (98%) unaware of the character of the environment into which they are entering. When we speak of universities/academia/college, we use euphemistic language to describe the conditioning spirit of these places -- leftist, marxist, communist, etc...when we would be wiser to use the more direct descriptive terms of -- jewish, satanic, masonic. 

All universities are masonic. This used to be well-known. ((( Berkeley ))) -- whom I've bracketed as he was a cryptojew -- was (I think) one of the first masons tasked with designing the American university system. Obviously Berkley in California, which is a hotbed of CIA activities and communist indoctrination, derives its jewish namesake from him. Jews rightly understand that controlling what the goyim think is more than half the effort of controlling the individual goy himself. It is for this reason that they've always poured enormous degrees of effort into controlling the gentiles' beliefs (I would dare to begin to argue that this endeavor is early witnessed by the ((( Phoenician ))) Bible itself, and therewithal all the religious systems that ramified from out of this starting base (aka abrahamism). Jews being a "chosen people, a holy people, the people of the book" is an obviously false belief, really even comically false, but owing to the influence of the Bible upon the goyim's beliefs, such an absurdity is commonly credited as true. Could it not be kindredly advanced that all such ancient religious communes centered in the study of abrahamic religion exercised a similar indoctrinating influence in the minds of past young persons who were inclined to study theology? I believe it can. To capture, to have captured, the entire notion of godhood/divinity as a jewish conceptual domain is an extraordinary achievement.  This is just one example (obviously).

Consider by an allied sense that the universities of the 16th and 17th centuries were important seeding grounds for the anti-monarchical anti-nationalist anti-catholic ideas that were to gird the coming political revolutions across europe, many of whose spirits still survive into our day. Even Luther (who was an obvious rosicrucian cryptojew, despite his published book “on the jews and their lies”) held an important university post from where he exercised influence. Newton (who was a cryptojewish occultist) also held important academic posts. 

>Get rid of mass university education, and our problems go away

This is not necessarily true. Jews will just find other avenues for brainwashing late teenagers and those enough given over in body and mind to the masonic culture that they choose to spend further years in the ((( academic system ))).

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It appears education is the reason why fertility rates in the west is now at zero